02-07-2013 06:58 PM
- It's the WP OSs small footprint and efficiency-prioritized coding that makes the smooth performance on low-end hardware possible. The 620 will outperform any of those "cheap dual-core" Android devices because of the design philosophy of the OS. The open philosophy of Android ends up being its downfall on the end-user side. The only solution OEMs have to enhance the experience is to "throw more power at it". You can do anything you want to your Android--including break it. You can't break WP with too many apps or the wrong app, or by putting the wrong live tiles on it. Now that devs have native access with WP8 this has the potential to become less true, but for the time being it stands, due to the approval process. MS, at least in theory, is making sure the app doesn't break the OS before it becomes available to the public.01-25-2013 01:04 AM
Google must develop Android without making any assumptions about the underlying hardware. As a result, they can make absolutely no hardware based performance optimizations. They leave this up to OEM's, which invest as little in this area as possible. On low end devices such efforts are skipped entirely, as doing so is extremely costly.
Microsoft has no such restrictions. They know exactly what hardware the OS will run on (exclusively Qualcomm S4) and they use that knowledge to squeeze every last drop of performance out of the SoC that they possibly can. Those optimizations exist on all levels, and aren't just restricted to drivers as on Android. This explains why Microsoft could squeeze jellybean level UI performance out of a 2008 era SoC on WP7, which was laughably underpowered compared to the Android competition, yet performed better. WP OEM's need do nothing more than install it... no optimization work required, whatsoever.01-25-2013 02:53 AM
- 01-26-2013 04:02 AM
- This phone? It isn't new and didn't come with Jelly Bean out of the box. http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/a...s-n880e-smart/
New low end devices ship with dual cores. Ultra budget phones launch with 1ghz and can be found at gas stations for 49.99 that's beyond low end lol.01-26-2013 04:20 AM
EDIT: Many more devices with the exact same hardware configuration will hit the market in 2013. In that sense the device might just as well be new. That hardware configuration isn't going away anytime soon.
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- 01-27-2013 08:56 AM
- I think what a5cent is trying to communicate, which was at the heart of my argument as well, is that it isn't a specs issue: it's about software. A quick perusal of tech review sites will gain you the knowledge that, barring QA issues, a WP device will run smoother and more consistently, perform everyday tasks faster and simpler, and last longer on a charge that an android with identical specs and battery size.01-27-2013 10:18 AM
In regard to being savvy ... No. Samsung isn't more savvy than anyone else. Their advantage over other Android OEM's stems from the following:
better economic scaling due to higher volume (leads to higher margins or lower prices).
much larger software budget that they invest into better hardware/software integration and QA (reliability and performance).
comparatively huge marketing investments (public image).
Freestaterocker is absolutely correct about the point I'm trying to get across. It's all about the software.
Hardware engineering isn't an area in which Samsung's mobile division outshines everyone else (build quality is debatable, but I'm talking only about their devices core hardware)
Although Samsung does well in the software/hardware integration department, what they can achieve with Android is child's play compared to what Apple and Microsoft have done. No amount of savvyness can compensate for the advantages offered by standardized hardware. What can compensate for Android's disadvantage is more powerful hardware, but that isn't available at the low end.
Apple appears unwilling to compete at the low end, which leaves a hole for WP to exploit. That has been my point all along.01-27-2013 11:04 AMLike 2
- Lol what is this blasphemy about battery life? My battery on my 920 barely lasts twelve hours on a charge now with light use, while my friend's Atrix 4G running on Jellybean rom lasts well over twenty four. That's with a smaller battery too. Granted the Lumia processor is a little beefier, but its also supposedly more efficient.01-27-2013 11:36 AM
- Lol what is this blasphemy about battery life? My battery on my 920 barely lasts twelve hours on a charge now with light use, while my friend's Atrix 4G running on Jellybean rom lasts well over twenty four. That's with a smaller battery too. Granted the Lumia processor is a little beefier, but its also supposedly more efficient.01-27-2013 11:42 AM
920 does seem to suffer from very inconsistent battery performance. There is something really fishy going on, likely related to LTE, the OS and installed apps, although I'm just guessing here.01-27-2013 11:45 AMLike 1
- 01-27-2013 04:10 PM
- fatclue_98Retired ModeratorI think this whole preference of OS's really comes down to the user. I've read tons of threads like this bashing and defending any one OS and all it came down to was the person. You want a hassle free device that just plain works? Go for iOS. Want a little more customization? Get WP8. Android, especially with JB, is pretty much up to par with these other OS's in terms of fluidity and stability but having that level of customization does come with some drawbacks. I don't suspect that Android is really for anyone who doesn't want to tinker around with their phone every now and then to make it run a little smoother. This sounds pretty bad, but considering that you can install new roms and kernels and basically change every part of the OS, it's a small tradeoff. However, it's not everyone's cup of tea, to each his own.
Going back to the topic, no. Android will not die, at least until other open source OS's (I'm lookin at you, Sailfish.) can eventually chip away at its user base. You always gotta have an open source alternative for the techy ones out there.01-27-2013 04:54 PM
- 01-27-2013 05:04 PM
- 01-27-2013 05:40 PM
- fatclue_98Retired Moderator01-27-2013 07:05 PMLike 1
- The porting exercise is a proof of concept at this phase. Just as the Ubuntu, Sailfish and Firefox ports are. If there is success with OWOS, carriers and/or OEMs will take notice because everybody knows, as you acknowledged, that webOS was indeed awesome. Ubuntu and the others don't have the prior user experience to go toe-to-toe with OWOS. If OpenMobile ever fulfills their mission of running Android within webOS, you could see a native dual-boot device in the near future. Windows Phone is such a different user experience that it would probably benefit from such an arrangement because the sales scavenging would come at Android's expense. My opinion anyway.01-27-2013 07:15 PM
- same carrier, although the atrix doesn't have lte access. However, I've already tested my 920 battery life w/o data settings on, and I still get only about 14-15 hours. Not bad, but certainly not great since that's one of the phones main functions. The biggest battery problem for me is the ridiculous idle drain. When I sleep the battery drains 25% in six to seven hours.
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