- 02-13-2013, 08:34 PM #26
- 02-13-2013, 08:40 PM #27
Until this Scroogle thing runs it's course, MS can't do anything nearly as useful as Now.
Call it useless or creepy or anything else that you like. If you use it, it's a very helpful feature.
02-13-2013, 09:24 PM #28
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It seems like a good money making opportunity for Google. Retailers pay so when you go in their shop it gives you the special offers etc. I'm not sure I like the privacy aspect of this service though.
I seem to remember before WP8 came out Microsoft had a video of a Windows Phone doing something similar to this so maybe they are working on it.
- 02-13-2013, 09:45 PM #29
No, forget I asked...
Anyway, it is obvious that precisely the use-case you were so impressed by, isn't at all beyond Microsoft's reach. Without a concrete example of something Google can achieve only by accessing their aggregated, server side user profiles, I would suspect you are mistaken.
The only difference I see is where aggregated user profiles are generated and stored, either on users devices (MS), or on company servers (Google).
- 02-13-2013, 10:22 PM #30
I understand your views of MS and Google but I don't share them. I don't think we need to take that issue any further either.
In regard to the topic at hand, if you believe MS can't do anything as useful, you will need to back that up with an example of what Google Now might achieve that Microsoft can't. You may even be right, but I don't see it. Otherwise I'm going to view this as hot Google-Fan air. ;-)
02-13-2013, 10:24 PM #31
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Google now (outside the US) is not a "must have" feature.
When I first got my Google Nexus I thought "wow, cool", but after a while I never really used it at all. Integrating with your calendar and warning you about traffic is neat, but it's so unreliably anyway that it's just a gimmic. Also, sifting through your gmail and other applications and being "proactive" about things you'd searched for just got annoying, and somewhat scary (in terms of privacy) at the same time.
The *only* thing that Google really has over Microsoft is Google maps. Google maps is THE most accurate mapping system world wide, and mapping systems ARE the most widely used app on mobile devices. Microsoft should focus on improving it's mapping service along with it's OEM partners mapping services, well before worrying about Google Now.
- 02-14-2013, 11:33 AM #34
1. Tracking updates for 3 high value UPS shipments. Tracking info picked up from Gmail.
2. Wife's flight was delayed. Thanks to her itinerary being emailed to me, Google Now let me know she would be 45 minutes later than scheduled.
3. Had a meeting this week an hour from house. Google Now alerted me to traffic conditions caused by weather, letting me know I needed another 30 minutes to get there. Info came from Google Calendar and Gmail. Ended up I only needed an extra 10 minutes, but I'd prefer to be early rather than late.
That's all stuff that MS can't do thanks to Mark Penn and his Scroogle campaign against Google. Once that runs its course and everyone has mostly forgotten all about it, MS can (and let's be honest, probably will) bring some smart personal assistant features to WP. Until then, well, we get what we have.
Am I aware of the privacy concerns of using Google services? Yes, yes I am. Am I OK with it? Yes, yes I am.
- 02-14-2013, 11:54 AM #35
Here's the thing: if MS rolled this feature out today, most people (including me) would welcome it. Privacy implications might be mentioned in passing, but folks would be accepting of the fact that MS would offer something like Google Now, even though it meant pulling data from calendars, Outlook mail and search history. I trust Google, and I trust Microsoft. It isn't that I trust Google more than Microsoft, it's that Google offers me insanely useful features. If MS began using the info that they collect about me in the same way, I'd welcome that, Happily.
- 02-14-2013, 11:23 PM #36
What I understand is: for better results on Google Now you should use gmail, google search, google calendar, and all google ecosystem... ok I like the Scout app or other apps on WP8 even if they collect my likes from facebook or locations or whatever, is not so bad, the problem is that if I move to android I still prefer some MS products over google products...
However a simple search for instance a camera or a watch using google now will result in ads for me almost forever, even after I buy those products or if I change my mind and decide not to buy I will continue receiving those ads like the current google search on the web browser? google is an advertisement company and is not providing those wonderful things for free...
- 02-15-2013, 01:13 AM #37
Google Now is freaking amazing.. I'm in Cupertino right now (irony) and I was on google maps on my laptop getting directions back to SFO airport tomorrow... I picked up my Nexus 4 a few hours later, was on Google Now, and it had the directions to SFO integrated already for me.. I didn't prompt this, but, it knew that I was going to be doing the drive based on me looking it up earlier..
Google Now is seriously the most important mobile innovation in the last year IMO ..
- 02-15-2013, 07:09 AM #38
It appears you expect such features must be implemented server-side, when in truth the only reason Google does this server-side is because that is what is necessary for them to earn money. If you aren't collecting and selling that data, then it is much cheaper to implement such features client-side, i.e. on users own personal devices.
As long as the data collected by those profiling routines stays on my devices, Microsoft can scan my mails as much as they want without raising any red privacy flags. Explain to my why this can't work and I'll believe you have a point.
- 02-15-2013, 07:51 AM #39
I bought a Nexus 4 to play with. You guys are making Google Now sound like it has a brain of it's own. It doesn't, it's dependant on data from a 3rd party.
It doesn't know about traffic jams unless that information is available through your DOT. It doesn't know about trains or planes being late unless that information is available from a 3rd party. My wife and I fly from time to time, we always signup for SMS alerts. It does the same thing.
- 02-15-2013, 11:29 AM #40
- 02-15-2013, 11:32 AM #41As long as the data collected by those profiling routines stays on my devices, Microsoft can scan my mails as much as they want without raising any red privacy flags. Explain to my why this can't work and I'll believe you have a point.We also couldn't disagree more on the importance of this Scroogle campaign. You seem to think it has the power to dictate Microsoft's policies and strategies, whereas I think it is completely irrelevant. Either way, I don't think Microsoft is forced to degrade any privacy policies to compete with Google Now. Only the methods by which they collect that information will differ, which is fine, as long as Microsoft doesn't also intend to become a competitor in the advertising business.
Scroogle would absolutely interfere with Bing Now unless or until MS does away with it.
And MS is already a competitor in the ad business. They may not be using your email to sell ads against, but ads that you see on Bing or sites displaying MS ads are absolutely influenced by your Web history.
MS is a very short leap from using Outlook.com mail contents to improve their ad targeting, and revenue.
- 02-15-2013, 11:39 AM #43
On the flight alert thing, yeah it would have been so much more convenient to sign up for text alerts with 3 airlines as opposed to just hearing Google Now alert me. Hands off is such a PIA.
- 02-15-2013, 11:59 AM #44
I think Google Now is pretty cool, but living in a smaller populated area, a lot of the cool things like telling me when to leave for meetings and stuff don't really impact me. For those who used the UPS type features... is it scanning your server Gmail, or just the email on your local device? If I buy something using my Live email address does Google Now just get that info from my local device, or does it have to be a GMail account? I know with calendar ETA it is just looking at my local device since I use my Live calender for that and it works just fine.
It doesn't matter either way to me where it is scanning, but if its reading the device info, it makes it pretty easy for Apple or MS to come up with their own version and not care about having all the services integrated.
- 02-15-2013, 12:06 PM #45
Where I live I don't really deal with traffic, but when I visited my sister out in San Fran, the Google traffic stuff was pretty darn accurate.
I have no idea how much of an impact the "crowd sourced" traffic data plays on maps, but I think it's pretty awesome. Part of me thinks it's one of those things that for the good of everybody that all the mobile OS's should report their data to one location and so it would improve traffic report for everybody. Make everything safer and easier to get around.
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- 02-15-2013, 01:07 PM #50
As Chris Rock said "don't fear Al-Qaeda, fear Al-Cracka". The "man" is definitely watching. Don't believe me? Resist the urge to do anything data-related on your phone for about 6 hours, monitor your data usage and see just how much background data is transmitted.
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