- 02-15-2013, 12:09 PM #51
- 02-15-2013, 12:17 PM #52
Further, neither MS or Nokia would have wasted all of that money creating map, navigation and local apps.
Google Now has little to do with your statement though. It would be more prudent to use Navigation and Local. Now would only show you reminders of places that you've actually searched for if you have Places enabled in settings.
- 02-15-2013, 12:53 PM #53
- 02-15-2013, 01:19 PM #54
Holy smokes. I'm not sure how I feel about what just happened, but it’s timely to our discussion.. A few minutes ago I googled a restaurant on my PC. I didn’t realized I was signed into my Google account but I guess I am. (I only have a google account as a necessary evil to use Android and I’m using Android because I support our mobile users and we use Good and there is no Good on WP8 yet.)
Anyway, I just now notice that I have a Google Now card with that restaurant and an ETA. (2+ hours away, I have no plans to go there.)
It’s kinda cool, but I dunno. Why would it think I’m planning on eating at a place 142 miles away?
- 02-15-2013, 01:22 PM #55
- 02-15-2013, 01:29 PM #56
Who is Athima? I don't have a clue, I could care less. She's just writing about what came from a Google Blog about how they do traffic.
- 02-15-2013, 08:56 PM #57
post #34. I explained why Microsoft can, and you've begrudgingly admitted that is true (not easy, but possible). End of story.
Apparently, you have preferences in regard to where profiling occurs, but your preferences don't make the alternatives impossible. While I agree with your reasoning to a degree, you are stretching a bit too far to rationalize your preference. The computational resources required to profile an e-mail and store the results are barely relevant. Yes, implementing such software requires some serious skills... but the complexity of these programs manifests itself at design time, not at runtime. It's nothing like simulating weather patterns or nuclear explosions. The only people who need a datacentre to profile e-mails are those that profile billions of them each day and store the results for later use. Profiling a few dozen e-mails a day would barely register as a blip on a smartphone CPU's daily schedule.
However, if you insist, Microsoft could also profile our e-mails exactly the same way Google does. I see no problem with that. The only thing Microsoft needs to worry about, to avoid looking hypocritical (I'm assuming that is your problem with the Scroogle campaign), is where the results are stored. IMHO, as long as the results of profiling our personal information are stored on our personal devices, Microsoft is just fine.
Even if Microsoft did do both, it only concerns me if I can't control what data is being handed out to whom. As long as my personal data isn't being made available to third parties (which is what Google legally reserves the right to do, but Microsoft doesn't), then I don't care.
As for the rest of your statements, I appreciate reading them, but I don't think either of us need spend time debating them, as we are unlikely to convince each other of much.
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- 02-15-2013, 09:46 PM #58
However, if you insist, Microsoft could also profile our e-mails exactly the same way Google does. I see no problem with that.
Maybe they are. I certainly don't know what every last Microsoft employee is up to at all times. But as of now, and to the best of my knowledge, they do not. Have you got a source?
Don't take my word for it though, read this from Scroogled:
Outlook.com only scans the contents of your email to help protect you and display, categorize, and sort your mail appropriately.
Machine scanned, indexed and stored.
- 02-15-2013, 10:09 PM #59
I'll be brutally honest...this reminds me of all the annoying emails I get from places like Amazon.com trying to send me information they think is relevant too me because I searched for something once on their site. This is just more extraneous information being jammed in your face. Worse still, it shows how much Google is willing and capable of conglomerating all of your search history and targeting you (i.e they are making even more money off you and know more about you than you may really want them to know). I get the geek factor in all of this. I do. But I prefer getting information when I want it and how, not how some algorithm thinks I want it, and when.
- 02-15-2013, 10:25 PM #60
- 02-16-2013, 01:12 AM #61
As for the whole legal thing, you made a statement that Google is claiming the legal right to share info with 3rd parties, then you said you're not a lawyer. We'll just leave that there.
- 02-16-2013, 01:21 AM #62
- 02-16-2013, 01:48 AM #63
Microsoft does absolutely profile you for advertising purposes. I guess it's Ok that they go so far as to pull in your Experian profile to better match you and ads up because they lay off of your email.
FFS, this whole "only Google profiles people to sell ads against" is old, tired and wrong.
Your MS profile doesn't just include your online life, they pull in your offline life as well.
Yes, Google builds profiles of their users and they sell ads against it. So does Microsoft. Go ahead, this is the part where you tell me that Microsoft's way is better because they don't scan your email for ads. Your MS ad profile is pretty complete without it.
- 02-16-2013, 10:00 AM #64
- 02-16-2013, 01:31 PM #65
- 02-16-2013, 01:47 PM #66
All the data required to recreate the "intelligent" part of Google Now is already synced to all our devices. Mails, calendar data, GPS location, search history, etc... no polling is required beyond what is already common practice. For any other data, a hypothetical Bing Now could easily register with a Microsoft server to receive push notifications whenever necessary, e.g. when flight information for a particular flight is updated.
Anyway, my goal wasn't to make you like a particular solution. It was only to show that other solutions exist.
The original assumption was that Microsoft has no chance of recreating the Google Now experience, because they don't aggregate the same amount of user data on their servers. This is the only unimaginative silliness I'm attempting to debunk. A vast number of solutions exist between the two extremes we've been discussing (we have, after all, long entered the age of distributed computing), and I'm sure not just one or two of those solutions are plausible.
I know you care nothing about your own privacy. I know you also care nothing about the privacy of your friends and family members who send mails to your gmail accounts. I do care. Deal with it.
I hope you will now finally stop trying to steer the discussion towards this topic.
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- 02-16-2013, 03:24 PM #67
I am trying to get bumpers for my Nexus 4, and every time i check for them I get this message:
Nexus 4 Bumper (Black)
Temporarily Out of Stock
We are out of inventory. Please check back soon.
Why can't it just tell me when they're in stock so I don't waste time checking all the time? Maybe they're too busy calculating drive times.
- 02-18-2013, 09:02 AM #68
- 02-18-2013, 12:01 PM #69
- 05-21-2013, 11:48 PM #73
06-05-2013, 09:40 AM #74
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In WP, all buttons are at bottom and all apps follow design language.
I wish Google brings Maps (I want better than Gmaps Pro).
And Google Now is an UPDATE to Google search app, so if WP gets more users, Google might UPDATE the WP search app to Google Now, just like IOS.
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