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    It might work better than it looks. The device itself isn't too bad, the back will be changed I am sure. The problem is how the OS looks on it, only 8 icons to a screen will mean lots of scrolling and I am guessing this means only two active frames to a screen too. Not pretty.

    Rim wants everyone to use all touch eventually I think. The OS is made for touch and touch looks and works best on a big screen.

    i would worry that the touch screen models sell very very well but the keyboard version won't so any gains would be offset with losses. That said, the finished product that we will see on 30th January may be an improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BellaRed View Post
    It might work better than it looks. The device itself isn't too bad, the back will be changed I am sure. The problem is how the OS looks on it, only 8 icons to a screen will mean lots of scrolling and I am guessing this means only two active frames to a screen too. Not pretty.

    Rim wants everyone to use all touch eventually I think. The OS is made for touch and touch looks and works best on a big screen.

    i would worry that the touch screen models sell very very well but the keyboard version won't so any gains would be offset with losses. That said, the finished product that we will see on 30th January may be an improvement.
    I hope your right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    An HTC WP buddy told me that, if I'm wrong sorry :) but still my point stands on BB10...
    Your point on BB10 does indeed still stand. As for your HTC WP buddy (as the initial "WTAF!?" is gone), just explain to him if he swipes across (so the screen moves along to the right, is that a left swipe or right swipe, I've never known, but given how swipe up works I would say it's a left swipe) then he can still find the app in there. If it's a game, check the Games hub. It should still be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellaRed View Post
    The CB crowd don't seem to like the keyboard version: x10. Looks like the OS has just been chopped in half and slapped on but I do think it will be beautified more before launch.

    http://crackberry.com/new-pictures-blackberry-x10

    read the comments..... Ouch
    If that's really a production unit that bb expects to drop soon, its over. Oh my :(
    awwwww how sweeeeeet. thanks !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    If that's really a production unit that bb expects to drop soon, its over. Oh my :(
    That is an ugly looking thing isn't it? The all touch screen is pretty nice though.
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    I think there's nothing wrong with the os. I just don't see it competing well without app support. We'll see in a few weeks if that "confirmed" list is true or if crackberry is buying someone a car
    Nokia Lumia 1020/Blu Studio 5.0 LTE owner here...

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    I don't really. Think BB10 could kill. Wp at all. I personally think they will both grow. But judging on the demand of the 920. especially China. I was at Shanghai. and was at the Nokia Store and there are like tones of people waiting for a 920. I asked the reps about the demand. and it's been selling like crazy he said. he also said. that there were tones of preorders. Also the Yellow 920 has been the highest demand I think Wp will grow at a faster rate then BB10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cckgz4 View Post
    I think there's nothing wrong with the os. I just don't see it competing well without app support. We'll see in a few weeks if that "confirmed" list is true or if crackberry is buying someone a car
    No offense to you wp guys, but I think bb10 will have more app support then wp...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    No offense to you wp guys, but I think bb10 will have more app support then wp...
    lol that's funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Danny123 View Post
    I don't really. Think BB10 could kill. Wp at all. I personally think they will both grow. But judging on the demand of the 920. especially China. I was at Shanghai. and was at the Nokia Store and there are like tones of people waiting for a 920. I asked the reps about the demand. and it's been selling like crazy he said. he also said. that there were tones of preorders. Also the Yellow 920 has been the highest demand I think Wp will grow at a faster rate then BB10.
    The Yellow 920 has the highest demand in China? Dude, that comment is so close to being a racial slur it's not even funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatclue_98 View Post
    The Yellow 920 has the highest demand in China? Dude, that comment is so close to being a racial slur it's not even funny.
    lol reread the post it does not say the yellow 920 is the highest demand in china, and yea its funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irvin792 View Post
    lol that's funny
    One word: Cascades
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    One word: Cascades
    Cascades looks a lot like Microsoft Metro
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    Not to mention if blackberry is anything like they have historically been, their hardware, although solid, will under perform and be a year behind tech wise....blackberry made the battery pull famous ;) and the 5 minute boot time

    Blackberry just released a new phone on T-Mobile.......3.2 megapixel camera WOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by irvin792 View Post
    Not to mention if blackberry is anything like they have historically been, their hardware, although solid, will under perform and be a year behind tech wise....blackberry made the battery pull famous ;) and the 5 minute boot time

    Blackberry just released a new phone on T-Mobile.......3.2 megapixel camera WOW

    They made the 5 minute boot so good that webOS had to make a 10 minute boot just to one-up them.
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    Smartphone doesn't need that many apps, need a lot of apps to support..........that phone is not smart enough.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatclue_98 View Post
    They made the 5 minute boot so good that webOS had to make a 10 minute boot just to one-up them.
    lmao
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    i beleive the music player part. wp8 music player is shiny slick and has tons of extras but lacks MOST of the basics. Personaly I prefer the music player from ANY other nokia device than this one even the n900 which had a half baked music player as well. They crapped functionality and practicality for asthetics and bells and whistles. Sounds like a page out of ios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW888 View Post
    Smartphone doesn't need that many apps, need a lot of apps to support..........that phone is not smart enough.......
    What phone are you referring to?
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    Which of these two companies DOESN'T have a founder who attends Bilderberg meetings?
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    It will not kill WP but it's will help is hurting WP growth. There are a LOT of loyal BB users that will jump on board. Let's face it, mobile phone ownership is a lot like politics and religion. There's a lot of people who blindly follow in the name of loyalty without seeking alternatives/truth/options. I believe that's the ONLY reason iPhone continues to be so big. That phone has had the same boring static interface for FIVE years and many, especially the review sites (CNET, phonedog, Phonearena, theVerge), think every new iPhone is the most innovative thing ever. My group at work helps people configure enterprise accounts for iphones and BB's and I can't stand the boring iphone UI. It's just ignorant loyalty. Period.

    Saying that RIM is going to fall on its face is premature. Never underestimate a competitor, especially one who has much deeper roots than WP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlzimmerman View Post
    It will not kill WP but it's will help is hurting WP growth. There are a LOT of loyal BB users that will jump on board. Let's face it, mobile phone ownership is a lot like politics and religion. There's a lot of people who blindly follow in the name of loyalty without seeking alternatives/truth/options. I believe that's the ONLY reason iPhone continues to be so big. That phone has had the same boring static interface for FIVE years and many, especially the review sites (CNET, phonedog, Phonearena, theVerge), think every new iPhone is the most innovative thing ever. My group at work helps people configure enterprise accounts for iphones and BB's and I can't stand the boring iphone UI. It's just ignorant loyalty. Period.

    Saying that RIM is going to fall on its face is premature. Never underestimate a competitor, especially one who has much deeper roots than WP.
    I agree with the majority of your points, especially regarding the sheep/shepherd relationship of iPhone fans. I read an article yesterday, can't remember which publication, praising the slide-out sim card tray and how nobody thinks to use such a clever feature. My Treo 650 had a sim tray long before there was ever an iPhone. As for BB users, I agree there will be many who jump back in if the device delivers. The only problem I foresee is that many who have left BB have gone to a large screen touch device with a working app store and may not be so quick to give that up. A 2-1/2" screen just doesn't cut it anymore no matter how good the keyboard is. I just got rid of my touchscreen Bold 9900 a few weeks ago for that very reason. I hope BB does well with OS10, it'll serve notice to the other players that they can't rest on their laurels any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlzimmerman View Post
    It will not kill WP but it's will help is hurting WP growth. There are a LOT of loyal BB users that will jump on board. Let's face it, mobile phone ownership is a lot like politics and religion. There's a lot of people who blindly follow in the name of loyalty without seeking alternatives/truth/options. I believe that's the ONLY reason iPhone continues to be so big. That phone has had the same boring static interface for FIVE years and many, especially the review sites (CNET, phonedog, Phonearena, theVerge), think every new iPhone is the most innovative thing ever. My group at work helps people configure enterprise accounts for iphones and BB's and I can't stand the boring iphone UI. It's just ignorant loyalty. Period.

    Saying that RIM is going to fall on its face is premature. Never underestimate a competitor, especially one who has much deeper roots than WP.
    ignorant loyalty... will you apply that same classification to people that might buy the same flip phone year after year ? The same walkie talkie ? The same...ohhh windows phone ?

    I'm picking at you, but hoping to make a point that people like to keep things they are familiar with and recognize positively.
    awwwww how sweeeeeet. thanks !
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    The difference I see between BB and WP is that to many people WP is still an unknown that they have yet to try. On the other hand, RIM had a very large user base that went on a big decline because of RIM's inability to adapt and innovate. From my personal experience a lot of people who once loved their BB devices aren't really going to go back to that ship after trying other mobile devices. I know there are a lot of BB fans that are loyal to RIM, but at the same time there are a lot that left the platform disgruntled.

    One of the main selling points of the old Blackberry devices was BBM but now most people have data plans, or have other means of exchanging free messages so BBM isn't much of a selling point anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    ignorant loyalty... will you apply that same classification to people that might buy the same flip phone year after year ? The same walkie talkie ? The same...ohhh windows phone ?

    I'm picking at you, but hoping to make a point that people like to keep things they are familiar with and recognize positively.
    There are some folks who stay because of familiarity, who try other things, but stick to what they know. But that's few and far between with smartphone users. My previous post was pointed at the status-quo/peer pressure sheep. I know folks who roll their eyes at WP yet admit to never trying out the UI. Not once. Makes me facepalm.

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