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    #326  
    The greatness of bb10 that unfolds in mere days will have us all wondering why we would use anything blackberry! :P
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    #327  
    Quote Originally Posted by lipper2000 View Post
    I think Canada but in a year if WP8 is not number 3 MS have are failing badly.
    I don't believe the US carriers are going to push BB10 like they have pushed BB in the past. There was an interview with a Verizon bigwig where he stated they will make WP8 big like they made Android big with the Droid commercials...it's very early for Verizon and they don't have a WP8 superphone (coming in a couple of months)...
    ATT has never been a friend of BB.



    In Canada, I think BB10 will do very well but probably not enough to catch up to iOS or Android...they will at least get their footing back.

    It's the rest of the world that is more concerning to me for RIM...they need to have a product for the low cost markets of Africa, Brazil and Indonesia...BB10 initial release devices are not low cost by any stretch...

    Being Canadian I wish RIM all the best
    Don't know about Canada, but the Bold 9000 was an AT&T exclusive as was the 9800 Torch at its release here in the States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irvin792 View Post
    I say bring em on, I'd prefer a straight up fight compared to all this sneaking around!!! ;)
    If you wanna get beat that badly then by all means bring it on!

    BB4LIFE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    If you wanna get beat that badly then by all means bring it on!

    BB4LIFE!
    lol ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    If you wanna get beat that badly then by all means bring it on!

    BB4LIFE!
    Raekwon: "Soldiers in the front let the heat pump. Troops on the left fight to the death. My fam on the right infrared lights. Wolves in the back get ready to attack." :)

    I'm honestly just kidding though. 2013 is gonna a great year. With Ubuntu and Firefox jumping in the the game next year, yea its gonna get crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blu3V3nom07 View Post
    Raekwon: "Soldiers in the front let the heat pump. Troops on the left fight to the death. My fam on the right infrared lights. Wolves in the back get ready to attack." :)

    I'm honestly just kidding though. 2013 is gonna a great year. With Ubuntu and Firefox jumping in the the game next year, yea its gonna get crazy.
    Definitely, I cant wait to see what everyone will be bringing to the table this year. With two new OS's (WP8 and BB10) coming to market Apple and Google should really start to innovate again if they want to remain at the top.
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    I've been a long time fan of Windows and love what they are doing with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. However, I think it is possible that BB10 could push WP8 into 4th place which could effectively kill the platform. Not that I think it will happen. MS has deep pockets and aren't going anywhere but it is clear MS is slow to "get it" sometimes.

    Top 10 reason BB10 could be a major threat to WP8

    1) Multitasking, finally done right. WP8 tries but the solution is half baked.

    2) Notifications are best in class. I haven't seen a UI yet that is better than blackberry in this department. If you don't believe me check out the leaked concepts on french toast and cinnamon toast. Blackberry 10 Cinnamon Toast and French Toast UI slides leaked | Ubergizmo

    3) Windows has an integration problem. Everything has the Metro coat of paint, but that doesn't mean everything plays nice together. Wouldn't it be nice to start videos on an Xbox, pickup on a laptop/tablet, and finish on your phone? What about pickup a game a continue playing? Why do all the windows devices seem to have problems with each other?

    4) Microsoft refuses to let go of IE even though it is generally slower than webkit based browsers.

    5) Microsoft refuses to leverage its strongest brand, Xbox. WP8 should have the best mobile gaming platform period. Why hasn't it happened?

    6) Microsoft wants to be too much like Apple in the mobile arena. Open the wall garden up.

    7) UI elements are often too dumb downed. Simple is good, but often times being to minimalistic removes options that should be readily available and in plain sight.

    8) Multimedia syncing isn't that great without the Zune App.

    9) Where are the apps? Microsoft has promised a ton of top apps from other platforms but where are they and what are they doing to get more?

    10) Microsoft and Google aren't friends = no good native google apps

    11) RIM still has a huge following.
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    #333  
    Quote Originally Posted by Slvrshot View Post
    I think it is possible that BB10 could push WP8 into 4th place
    If I recall correctly, blackberry is already sitting in 3rd place already. Not in terms of RIM vs MS I mean, but blackberry phone market share vs WP market share.
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    Well I don't think BB10 will push BB clear into 3rd. After today's launch it looks like they will be on par with WP8 in the North American and UK market. I really don't see much buzz for BB10 in the rest of the world.

    The ball is in MS/Nokia's court now. If Nokia can launch some killer devices at MWC on multiple carriers then surely they can vault ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squire777 View Post
    Well I don't think BB10 will push BB clear into 3rd. After today's launch it looks like they will be on par with WP8 in the North American and UK market. I really don't see much buzz for BB10 in the rest of the world.

    The ball is in MS/Nokia's court now. If Nokia can launch some killer devices at MWC on multiple carriers then surely they can vault ahead.
    Although I agree todays BB10 launch was kind sucky, BB is still in third place. Hardware wise they are mostly on par, BB10 does have 2 gigs of ram... BB10 is more about the experience though, not the hardware (at least for right now), and imo bb10 is a more work efficient OS than WP8.

    Don't get me wrong though, If BB wasn't an option I'd definitely get a yellow 920 because that phone is so cool looking!
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    You mean they are in the third place with BB7. BB10 thus far is completely unproven, even more so than WP8.
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    With an expected US release of March, not good. Considering RIMBerry's current position, they should have their phones ready to hit the US now. The time frame, while better than the WP8 announcement-release, is still worse because WP8 is already on the market. Microsoft will be announcing even newer devices come MWC with specs that will make the Z10 look archaic. And of course Android/iOS will gobble up their share of the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blu3V3nom07 View Post
    Raekwon: "Soldiers in the front let the heat pump. Troops on the left fight to the death. My fam on the right infrared lights. Wolves in the back get ready to attack." :)

    I'm honestly just kidding though. 2013 is gonna a great year. With Ubuntu and Firefox jumping in the the game next year, yea its gonna get crazy.
    Love the Raekwon quote! LOL...a lot of ppl view the different OS's available as a sort of turf war...(my side is better (tougher) than your side...I view it a little differently. I love to see and explore creativity. I've never really been a fan of Android or IOS, so anything else that's innovative, sleek, classy, etc. I love to experience it! I am a BB fan and have also looked into Windows 8 phones. In other words, the more creativity, the more competition...and in the end, phones get better, and I get happier!
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    Didn't read all the pages, I just wanna b*tch a little, why is the camera ability to change faces in the blackberry 10 getting so much positive coverage? In what way is it different from the smart group shot from Nokia, and the smart shoot for WP 8 should be even better. But yet this thing from blackberry is on tv and impressing reviewers ect. Why?
    Thoughts?
    PS: don't know if you've discussed this, don't kill me if people have.
    Last edited by Saint Michael; 02-05-2013 at 04:48 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Michael View Post
    Didn't read all the pages, I just wanna b*tch a little, why is the camera ability to change faces in the blackberry 10 getting so much positive coverage? In what way is it different from the smart group shot from Nokia, and the smart shoot for WP 8 should be even better. But yet this thing from blackberry is on tv and impressing reviewers ect. Why?
    Though?
    PS: don't know if you've discussed this, don't kill me if people have.
    qfe
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    #341  
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    #343  
    So I read on the homepage WP took 3rd place for 3rd quarter sales
    Nokia Lumia 1020/Blu Studio 5.0 LTE owner here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cckgz4 View Post
    So I read on the homepage WP took 3rd place for 3rd quarter sales
    In the US only, and that was all WP8 manufacturers combined vs. crappy old OS7 Bolds and Curves. God I would hope wp8 would outsell those phones, or they'd be a laughingstock!
    Reports from carriers so far are saying that the z10 is breaking sales records of all previous blackberry phones ever sold, so if this trend continues I expect Q1 2013 to be drastically different than Q4 2012 for BlackBerry. This will end up being the first smartphone where the hardware and software are made by the same company to succeed since the iPhone. Someone stepping up to the plate in that respect was long overdue.
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    #345  
    Quote Originally Posted by cckgz4 View Post
    So I read on the homepage WP took 3rd place for 3rd quarter sales
    lol, check the homepage again, you'll see that another report was just released that contradicts the one your talking about.
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    #346  
    They got beat for 3rd by OS7 Bold, Curves, and Pearls?? Omg...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slvrshot View Post
    1) Multitasking, finally done right. WP8 tries but the solution is half baked.
    I can't really argue with this one.

    2) Notifications are best in class. I haven't seen a UI yet that is better than blackberry in this department. If you don't believe me check out the leaked concepts on french toast and cinnamon toast. Blackberry 10 Cinnamon Toast and French Toast UI slides leaked | Ubergizmo
    If the BB6 notifications have made it to BB10, and been enhanced, then yeah, that's ace.

    3) Windows has an integration problem. Everything has the Metro coat of paint, but that doesn't mean everything plays nice together. Wouldn't it be nice to start videos on an Xbox, pickup on a laptop/tablet, and finish on your phone? What about pickup a game a continue playing? Why do all the windows devices seem to have problems with each other?
    Yeah, this one really grinds my gears... There is so much missed potential.

    4) Microsoft refuses to let go of IE even though it is generally slower than webkit based browsers.
    So you want them to go to WebKit and then we get stuck in a monopoly? No, I say stick with IE. It's the only chance FireFox and Opera have. Also, IE isn't that slow. The bigger problem is that people design their mobile sites to be WebKit only, rather than standards compliant. I place the blame squarely on web developers here, and praise Microsoft for not backing down to the WebKit pressure.

    5) Microsoft refuses to leverage its strongest brand, Xbox. WP8 should have the best mobile gaming platform period. Why hasn't it happened?
    Agreed. Microsoft, you've got so much potential here. USE IT!

    6) Microsoft wants to be too much like Apple in the mobile arena. Open the wall garden up.
    Actually, I think it's a good idea. The walled garden approach helps protect us from malware. Sideloaded app that's infested with malware which then gets removed from the store? Oh you're screwed, you keep the malware, as Microsoft won't simply be able to remote wipe it.

    7) UI elements are often too dumb downed. Simple is good, but often times being to minimalistic removes options that should be readily available and in plain sight.
    I don't find this a problem myself.

    8) Multimedia syncing isn't that great without the Zune App.
    I agree, it could be better.

    9) Where are the apps? Microsoft has promised a ton of top apps from other platforms but where are they and what are they doing to get more?
    Perhaps they've offered billions of dollars but the developers have just said "We will never build a WP app no matter how much you pay us. So GTFO and let Windows Phone die already!"? You don't know what is going on behind closed doors. Remember as well that Microsoft is universally hated because of the connotations with WinME, the whole idea of Microsoft can do no right and Apple/Google can do no wrong, etc.

    10) Microsoft and Google aren't friends = no good native google apps
    True. Hopefully the EU can legislate a workaround for that.

    11) RIM still has a huge following.
    Oh heavens yes!

    "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'."
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    BlackBerry still have a long to go before he kill Windows Phone.

    I'm a BB lover.
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    I guess not.

    Gonna go back and read some of the posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    In the US only, and that was all WP8 manufacturers combined vs. crappy old OS7 Bolds and Curves. God I would hope wp8 would outsell those phones, or they'd be a laughingstock!
    Reports from carriers so far are saying that the z10 is breaking sales records of all previous blackberry phones ever sold, so if this trend continues I expect Q1 2013 to be drastically different than Q4 2012 for BlackBerry. This will end up being the first smartphone where the hardware and software are made by the same company to succeed since the iPhone. Someone stepping up to the plate in that respect was long overdue.
    So yeah like I was saying...
    Nokia Lumia 1020/Blu Studio 5.0 LTE owner here...

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