- 12-26-2012, 11:34 AM #76
12-26-2012, 11:44 AM #77
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I don't see that happening. First of, BlackBerry its only popular in the states. I've never ever seen a blackberry in Europe so if your world is not bigger than the US then sure it might kill Windows phone.
But I hate to be the one to bring you the news, but the US is NOT the world and the US is just a tiny player in the phone market.
- 12-26-2012, 12:24 PM #78
If you are seeing a very different cross section, by all means post em up :)
- 12-26-2012, 12:31 PM #79
The Blackberry is very popular with kids here in the UK. I see folk with Blackberries' on the train still but its mainly iPhone and android. Lots of SGS3"s starting to appear.
Interestingly I read a tweet today that said Nokia's no2 selling phone in China is the N9..... BB10 has copied a lot of the Meego Harmattan UI.
- 12-26-2012, 12:40 PM #80
I am a BlackBerry guy, though I will more align to being a gadget guy. My GF's dad just got a Nokia Lumia and it's awesome. I prefer BB10 and Windows Phone 8 to Android personally and I'm starting to find my iOS devices are having tons of glitches.
and smartphone sales are definitely made up mostly by consumers not enterprise users.
RIM lost 1 million subscribers in the last quarter. It had 80 million subscribers previously, but is now down to 79 million subscribers. This was the first time in RIM's history that it ever reported a decline in subscribers. That's what caused the stock to tank the day after the earnings report.
If you aren't a BlackBerry user, why buy what they have on market now. If you are, why would you buy this, knowing BlackBerry 10 is coming?
That said, 79 million active customers is a LOT more than Windows Phone has. Unless someone is willing to prove me wrong ...?
And yes, I know that - in some markets - when consumer device sales in the past quarter to new users are measured - Windows Phone has actually pulled ahead (see my earlier point). But this is not the same thing as "more Windows Phone users than BlackBerry users". This trend could quite easily reverse quickly. It's like the iPhone sagging in "marketshare" the quarter before a new iPhone and then exploding in "marketshare".
Know what's being measured.
since it is going to lose money on its BIS fees too. The carriers will no longer be providing a flat subsidy fee for each subscriber as has always been the case. So RIM will lose its service revenues.
First of, BlackBerry its only popular in the states. I've never ever seen a blackberry in Europe so if your world is not bigger than the US then sure it might kill Windows phone.
I'm pretty confident BB10 will at least dent WP8 mindshare and gobble up some marketshare no doubt about that but its going to be a back and forth battle between RIM and MS.
Here's a thought? Why isn't there room for both?
When I look at the mobile market right now, I see:
- A big base of iOS
- A big base of Android
- 79 million BlackBerry users (seems big to me)
- A huge, international Symbian market
- Windows Phone emerging and growing
I think the press is silly to that there's only room for two (or maybe three) ecosystems.
Most of the world isn't even on a smartphone yet, hence why the Smartphone market is still exploding. Windows Phone is a pretty ballsy and awesome product and RIM is following suit by releasing an also cool product. If the market is still growing rapidly, why can't there be four? There are already!
- 12-26-2012, 01:55 PM #81
12-26-2012, 02:20 PM #82
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I can't really comment having never used a blackberry device in the past, but what about the potential pricing fees for the services? Recently there's talk that the cost might be shoved onto the consumer/businesses rather than the carrier picking up the slack. They're going for tiered services too. If true that would play a role in success no?
- 12-26-2012, 02:34 PM #83
- 12-26-2012, 02:46 PM #84
3. Yes - hundreds of millions. Microsoft sold over a BILLION copies of Windows 7, even if Windows 8 sales are half of that, it will be over 500 million. They sold 40 million in the first month ... so it's not crazy - Windows 8 Sales: 40 Million Licenses Sold In First Month, Exec Says
5. Looks like you are agreeing with me ...
6. ahhh the old 'no file manager' argument. the file manager is intentionally left out, Bluetooth transfer exists for Nokia devices, SD card access is there, backups are there, not sure what '-everything-' you are referring to.
I am really not sure how good BB10 will be or how well it will do, but it's an uphill battle. It has the same battle that Windows phone has / had, it's just starting to fight now. In the corporate environment, they are forcing us to install a new BES server. The good news for blackberry is that iPhone in the enterprise is far from perfect.
- 12-26-2012, 03:29 PM #85
- 12-26-2012, 03:37 PM #86
3 I thought we were talking about windows phone sales ?
6 no, not "backups" defined as "with approved computer, software, and delivery sytems" , but full os backups to sdcard. An image, which can be dumped and restored from, without the need of a computer or cloud to complete. Backup and restore to/from sdcard. Using an sdcard, and file manager to use, distribute, and collect your files as you like, not how a corporation defines are safe.
- 12-26-2012, 04:45 PM #87
It's been a while since I've been on these boards and I must say I didn't miss much. I see so much bickering and name-calling it makes me think I went to xda by mistake. WP8 is indeed a much better OS than 7.5, which was better than 7 and so on. But there are some serious shortcomngs that can't be overlooked. Less bt profiles than a feature phone, the inability to attach pdfs on email, a virtually non-existent notification system and lack of expansion are among my biggest gripes. Your mileage may vary. I'm using the latest Bold 9900 because no other phone gives me the best keyboard in the business, customizable alerts for everything, hotspot capability, NFC and the best use of bt MAP of any phone. Being able to send and receive SMS while on my laptop, without having to touch my phone, has become indispensable. All these features on one phone! If BB10 gives me all this and some Android apps I may never go back. Disagree with me all you like, but at least be objective.
- 12-26-2012, 04:48 PM #88
Amazon Best Sellers: best AT&T
Lumia phones are at 3,4, 14 and 15 for ATT - 8X is at 17. Overall, Lumia is at 14th place.
Also this: Lumia 920 sales 2012: AT&T’s No.3 smartphone is Lumia 920 | BGR
Again, in my previous post I talked about AT&T only. But if you check out Nokiapoweruser.com you'll see countless stories of the 920 being in the top spot at carriers, e.g www.phonehouse.fr/top_50_ventes.php - Translator
Lumia is currently at 3 and 4 but was 1,2 and 3 for a while. 8X is currently 9th.
3. I did say Windows 8. To me that means Windows 8, not Windows Phone 8, but I can understand how that could be missed.
6. I understand what you are saying, and if you need something like that, you are in a minority (in my opinion). If BB10 has that at launch, great for them, not something I need. The whole idea of the new platforms is that the data and apps are really independent of the OS, not a mish-mash like in Windows XP/7.
- 12-26-2012, 04:57 PM #89
Personally, I did like the mail app in the newer BB devices. Especially how all my facebook messages came into the mail view. But the app world, the desktop software and the browser all sucked in my opinion and are well behind all the competing platforms.
BB10 looks promising and IS a real threat to windows phone, we'll have to see. By the end of January, WP8 might have a notification center and some other extras, making it even tougher for BB to differentiate. BB is so high-profile that they'll get slaughtered by the media if it's doesn't rocket in the first few months. We'll see, I've kinda had enough of talking about Blackberry for one day.
12-26-2012, 05:07 PM #90
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BB has a loyal fan base in the UK, but it was mainly due to BBM and the physical keyboard. BBM is kinda redundant since cross-platform messaging apps have taken off and BB10 switches to full touchscreen...
BB will be targeting a new demographic whilst potentially alienating their current users. For me, it's make or break.
- 12-26-2012, 08:09 PM #93
I predict BlackBerry and Windows phone to be the top 2 mobile computing platforms in the next 3 years :)
All things aside, BlackBerry 10 looks really good. I also like where MS is going with WP, and Windows 8 for that matter. 2013 should be an exciting one!
- 12-26-2012, 08:11 PM #94
12-26-2012, 09:16 PM #95
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- 12-26-2012, 09:30 PM #96
As a developer, I was set on WP8 and a 920 for months. After reading the 920 forum about the resets and other problems people are having I am considering to just wait and perhaps look at a BB10 device. Whichever device I purchase, I will be developing for that platform.
- 12-26-2012, 09:47 PM #97
I bought Microsoft Surface, and I assure you it has a lot of bugs. Although they are getting fixed over time, but there are these small details in the OS itself which are really annoying.
It is really closed minded to say BlackBerry 10 is just another clone of Android and iPhone, or that it is too late. BB10 will probably kill the home button for example. The way you can multitask and flow between apps and your messages is just not available in any device right now.
Here are the things I dont like about Windows 8 RT:
1) The messaging app and the Peoples Hub app are soo buggy. I barely use them anymore.
2) Apps sometimes just randomly crash while I am using them, even native apps too.
3) Most of the apps are soo bad. Like (Wordpress, StumbleUpon, Maps.) Major apps are not even there. like Facebook, Twitter and Youtube. It is sooo frustrating.
3) Notifications sucks. There isnt even one place to check all notifs at once.
4) IE10 is great, but needs a lot of improvement.
This was my though process. If BlackBerry does bad, I will be switching to Windows Phone. After I have used Microsoft Surface I really doubt buying any Windows product. To be honest my 3 years old BlackBerry can do more.
- 12-26-2012, 10:05 PM #98
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