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    Quote Originally Posted by Nataku4ca View Post
    what Dave is saying is personal info not shared across the entities for selling
    Fine, if you want to make this just about "selling" let's do that.

    MS "sells" you to advertisers from different, unique buckets of profile data, all tied together by your MS account.

    Google "sells" you to advertisers from one bucket of profile data, tied to your Google account.

    Now, you and Dave and every other person here that wants to make this about "selling" people will obviously pick the MS method that ties data unique to that service with Experian and Nielsen data and claim it to be preferable.

    Me? That's a distinction without ANY difference. Data about users is collected. Ads are targeted at users (in-house) based on that profile data.
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    Wow so many misguided people. All of you need to go back and review your terms and conditions. If you think that what Microsoft does with data collected is the same as what Google does you are wrong.

    Skype Terms of Use

    Microsoft Services Agreement

    Google Terms of Service ? Policies & Principles ? Google

    From Google terms and conditions.

    [NOTE]Your Content in our Services

    Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.
    When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services. You can find more information about how Google uses and stores content in the privacy policy or additional terms for particular Services. If you submit feedback or suggestions about our Services, we may use your feedback or suggestions without obligation to you.[/NOTE]


    From Microsoft service agreement
    [NOTE]
    3.1. Who owns the content that I put on the services? Content includes anything you upload to, store on, or transmit through the services, such as data, documents, photos, video, music, email and instant messages ("content"). Except for material that we license to you that may be incorporated into your own content (such as clip art), we don't claim ownership of the content you provide on the services. Your content remains your content, and you are responsible for it. We strongly advise you to make regular back-up copies of your content. We don't control, verify, pay for or endorse the content that you and others make available on the services.[/NOTE]


    I want to add to this that at no time in this thread have I stated that I think what Google is doing is wrong its up to the individual what you want to share. By putting anything on the internet you are giving up a certain amount of rights to what you post. What I do want everyone to understand is that Microsoft and Google have very different ways of doing things.
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    I'm really glad you went ahead and posted that Dave. People don't understand why Microsoft still has the strength in the market that they do and this is a major contributing factor. Microsoft hasn't breached the people's trust on the privacy front. In fact, they bend over backwards to make sure their services are secure and safe.

    It is the same in the development world. MSDN is the largest and most comprehensive development network in the world. As much as the mouthbreathers and hipsters want to vouch for Google and hate on Microsoft, they aren't going to change the fact that Microsoft is doing good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmortalWarrior View Post
    It is the same in the development world. MSDN is the largest and most comprehensive development network in the world.
    I use to be one of the Microsoft haters out there. Now, my favorite program EVER to use is Visual Studio 2010. They've really made great strides in everything they have out right now to fix up UI and make it downright pleasant to use their services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawboh86 View Post
    I use to be one of the Microsoft haters out there. Now, my favorite program EVER to use is Visual Studio 2010. They've really made great strides in everything they have out right now to fix up UI and make it downright pleasant to use their services.
    I totally love VS2010. It makes eclipse and netbeans look positively amateur by comparison. Try downloading Power Productivity Tools from the extension manager. Makes it even better.

    I've been toying with vs2012 and I am considering purchasing a license for it this year. It looks promising and I like the interface improvements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmortalWarrior View Post
    I totally love VS2010. It makes eclipse and netbeans look positively amateur by comparison. Try downloading Power Productivity Tools from the extension manager. Makes it even better.

    I've been toying with vs2012 and I am considering purchasing a license for it this year. It looks promising and I like the interface improvements.
    I personally refuse to use VS 2010 if I can't install Power Tools. I've been so use to them that I can't use the tool as effectively without it. I went to a conference hosted by Microsoft a year or so ago, and they were talking about how they were going to build the features from Power Tools into the software. I, too, am trying out VS 2012, and haven't seen too many. Then again, I'm using the Express addition to make WP8 apps.
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