- 01-30-2013, 11:36 AM #52
- 01-30-2013, 12:45 PM #53
I think on the corporate side, it will be good enough to get some lost users back and easily get current BB7 and below users to convert. Originally all my corporate users started dumping BlackBerry for Android (we only use Verizon so originally there was not an iPhone choice) now they are sick of Android and they are leaving that and going iPhone. I do see a lot of my hardcore business users moving to BB10 if it gives them a superior email option. Actually probably moving to the keyboard version actually. Just my opinion.. time will tell and it looks like I have until mid March to get BES 10 up and running anyway.
- 01-30-2013, 12:53 PM #54
I haven't read through this thread so sorry if this is being repeated.
I believe if bb10 edges WP8.. It's because of the carrier launch. Jesus. BlackBerry Is making sure their devices are available to everyone on all carriers.
This is what Nokia should have done.
- 01-30-2013, 04:37 PM #56
I see nothing so far in this launch to either worry WP users or really give them comfort. BB10 still has CrackBerry Nation behind it, a strong identity, and some strong word of mouth. But, it also has to come up with something special to stop the bleeding and now has another 8-10 weeks of lost momentum.
In my opinion, WP will rise or fall based on it's own strengths, not the failure of BB or any other OS. If WP's next major update moves the OS ahead, MS continues to improve the app situation with a sense of urgency (which is every bit as important for Windows 8 as it is for WP8), and Nokia, HTC, and whatever OEM coalition of the willing MS lines up put out improving devices WP will continue to grow. From what @tk-093 states in his posts here, MS has a long way to go in enterprise as well. So there is HUGE growth they can compete for that they are not even begun to fight for.
BB10 looks like a good OS that may keep them in the game. I see no advantage to losing BlackBerry (no longer RIM-just BlackBerry now). They add an option.
- 01-30-2013, 04:39 PM #57
- 01-30-2013, 06:00 PM #59
This is a big day for BB ex-pats who have moved onto other platforms. The launch of 10 may draw them back, and they will get some of the curious having a try, but after that it will be business as usual and we two at the bottom will have to roll up our sleeves and be willing to get our hands dirty.
- 01-30-2013, 07:40 PM #60
BB10 looks amazing. But since I just bought at 920 a few months ago, I'll probably stick with this for 2 years before I get a new phone. By then, I will probably be choosing between an awesome WP9 device, a 2nd generation Surface Phone, and an even more amazing BB11. After watching a bunch of BB10 videos I'm kind of angry/dissapointed that WP still has so many missing features and isn't as "cool". I really wished that WP8 would have had a bunch of cool gestures (like in BB 10) and picture password (as in Windows 8). I do have to note that BB10 is probably attracting me more because I'm a business student; especially with that cool ability to switch from "personal" to "work" mode, now that is way cool! Also, that swipe up from screen to turn on the screen is super cool too. The phone industry is just so exciting!!!
ETA: One more thing. I find it hilarious that Microsoft is trying to sell WP as a business phone yet it doesn't have VPN nor an ability to switch between a personal and work mode (which I'm still infactuated about). I know most people don't need that, but as a business student I really want those features and I'm sure that is holding a lot of business people back.
- 01-30-2013, 09:07 PM #61
It's funny how users of a platform that has let's say 3% of the mobile marketshare can say "Nah, nothing to see here" about Blackberry. Let's be honest here, and this is coming from a Windows Phone fanatic, we have something to worry about here. At least Blackberry seems to be putting some serious effort into their platform. They came out pretty strong with this new OS and the UI is different enough to raise some eyebrows. No one, NO ONE, is going to say "Nope, I am not getting a Blackberry because Windows Phone has such phenomenal games and Office!" The ONLY thing WP has is the user interface...that's it in my opinion - and I do love it. However, Microsoft could learn a thing or two if you ask me. This WP has been an absolute f'n disaster and if it wasn't for Nokia, the Windows Phone platform would be dead.
Again, I don't mean to sound all doom and gloom but lets not overlook a new venture by fooling ourselves into thinking "we've got this".
- 01-30-2013, 09:24 PM #62
Although I think I'll let myself sleep over this before I make this big decision since I do easily get infactuated by cool tech and sometimes regret buying things impusively. Anyways, I just wanted to point out a few things I really like in BB10 from a WP user's perspective:
- notification light
- gestures (simply very cool)
- personal and works modes
- being able to "peek" at notifications simultaneously while in an app/game
- developer support (it has has dropbox already!! what?? and WP doesnt??)
- fluidity; from watching BB10 videos on youtube so far, I've seen zero lag; that cannot be said about the Ubuntu phone, which I also got a little excited over
- it's "cool"; (I have the 920, and I think the phone itself i.e. the hardware, is cool, but WP, the software, just isn't "cool")
And a few things I don't like so much about the BB10, particularly the Z10 model (since that's the only model I would consider buying):
- 4.2" isn't large enough. I want 4.5"- 5".
- design is ok only
- I kind of want curved glass that's on the 920, but not sure if that's patented by nokia or something. I think all phones that use gestures should have curved glass at the edges
- buttons and ports seem to be positioned all over the place
Last edited by kittshelby; 01-30-2013 at 09:37 PM.
- 01-30-2013, 11:33 PM #63
As for the stock market comments,
The stock drop wasn't entirely unanticipated. Lots of investors cashing in from recent gains. Day-to-day volatility isn't an indicator of overall company health. Market cap still way closer to book value than it was 6 months ago
- 01-30-2013, 11:53 PM #64
- 01-31-2013, 12:22 AM #65
Really though, this thing is archaic in terms of usability. Aside from the screen tech it brings little of interest except android without the ecosystem. The device itself looks about as interesting as the OG Droid and my original Samsung blackjack from 2007 takes higher quality photos. I won't lie, I was scared of what they had to offer when I saw early renders but today, I kicked back and laughed at the presentation. Let's see if a name can sell a phone (sadly, we know it can) because the name is pretty much the only plus.
- 01-31-2013, 01:25 AM #68
This is the BIGGEST I've heard of people talking about Windows Phone. More and more I see facebook statuses with an origin from Windows Phone along with statuses that talk about how they like their windows phones. I see commercials every other day for the Surface or for a WP8. I think you are overexaggerating a wee bit
- 01-31-2013, 04:40 AM #69
Here's the rankings:
# | Name | People Talking About
1 Blackberry 9,686,063
2 Trident 1,011,724
3 Grammarly 872,413
4 Wexley School for Girls 285,447
5 iPhone 269,169
6 FΔSHION 423,908
7 Mozilla Firefox 289,049
8 Kit Kat 864,994
9 Hunter Safety System 169,816
10 The Conservative Newsfeed 170,628
Do you see WP8 there anywhere?
Fact: BB has been trending on Twitter in the top 10 pretty much all of this month.
Fact: Your own WP8 website's "Trending Now" list contain 3 Blackberry topics at this very moment. On a WP8 website.
- 01-31-2013, 07:58 AM #71
Of course it'd be trending less than 24hrs of the announcement. If it didn't, you'd have bigger problems than trolling this forum.
And why are you even mentioning wp8 not trending when my mention of it was merely stating it has more awareness now compared to its initial release? Nobody expected it to be trending months from now. But I understand grasping at straws seems to be your argument so you can have that, I guess.
- 01-31-2013, 08:43 AM #73
- 01-31-2013, 09:35 AM #74
Nokia (and HTC) did launch on all carriers in the U.S., except Sprint - but Sprint didn't want ANY WP8 devices when WP8 launched. At the end of the day, an OEM CANNOT force or mandate any carrier to carry their device; the carrier has to want to carry it.
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