- 01-30-2013, 07:37 AM #1
Today is dday. BB10 is going to be shown off and the tech world is going to jump on it. There's so much buzz around this compared to the launch of wp8. Plus bb10 will have all the apps that are missing from wp8. Today can be a very bad day for wp8 and MS if Rims new os and phone is the next god phone.
01-30-2013, 07:48 AM #3
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yeah, could be an interesting day for both companies...if RIM don't get this launch right then it's pretty much 'game over' for them, hence the hype. I think regardless of what BB10 releases WP8 has a future. Microsoft have staked a huge investment in Windows 8 and WP8 is seen as a ideal companion. I feel that there will be a gradual and steady shift to WP8 and expect to see the corporate/business market to take an interest in WP8.
- 01-30-2013, 07:55 AM #4
I'm not saying WP users will jump ship but some people just love bb and they would rather go bb than WP. Microsoft really should have changed the name of the os to natal or something. Having windows in the name really hurts them because there's so many anti ms people out there
- 01-30-2013, 07:59 AM #5
BB10 is dead without main stream apps. Reason I left and reason I'll never go back. No main stream devs or apps want to support them. They could have 10mil apps, but if they can't get the right ones, nobody will care. WP8 has a far better chance of getting all the right apps. BB wants you to be happy with their "off brand" apps and it won't happen. Two years with Playbook and no Netflix. Really?
01-30-2013, 08:10 AM #7
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- 01-30-2013, 08:17 AM #8
- 01-30-2013, 08:19 AM #10
This could go either way and it's actually pretty exciting. Personally I want Blackberry and Windows Phone to suceed.
For Blackberry to suceed in the Enterprise there are now two options. BB10 ditched their propriatary push technology and they now license ActiveSync from Microsoft. This will let BB10 devices sync directly with Exchange ActiveSync just like WP, iOS and Android do now. You won't get all the MDM stuff you get by syncing to a BES, but not everybody wants that. I'm assuming Blackberry Balance won't work with that. (BB Balance allows you to seperate personal data from corporate and you can just wipe the corporate data if you want.)
The other way is the traditional BES. However, there is one caveat. It requires the BB10 BES. It will not sync to the current BES 5.0.x environment. That means new server hardware. Probably not a big deal for most companies, but it is what it is.
In our case, our BB numbers have gone from 900 down to about 120 in the last two years. They have been replaced by Android and iOS devices. We use Good Mobile Messaging so there is no WP8 support. We are starting to mess with plain old Exchange ActiveSync, but our security requires some MDM so we probably need to wait for that. Our CEO and other high ups refuse to give up their BlackBerrys so I will be buildinb a BES10 environment. Over the next few months I expect I will have 120 BB10s, and probably actually more and still just the 3 WP8s that we have in for testing. S/MIME encrypted email is a requiremetn for a lot of people and BlackBerry does it and does it well and WP8 has none of it.
Also the fact that it takes very little time for an Android developer to convert their app to BB10.. very little time. BlackBerry has a real huge chance of making a comeback.
Of course we need to see how devices actually work. If tech reviews start to come in and they are just so-so, then all this hype can be gone in an instant.
- 01-30-2013, 08:22 AM #11
let's be honest if instagram is one of the first major apps that would suck big time. i know some people around here could care less but its an app like that attract people and make trying different platforms easier.
- 01-30-2013, 08:22 AM #12
- 01-30-2013, 08:38 AM #13
Such silly, desperate comments. WP8 is part of MS's technical vision moving forward, they're not about to let it fail (remember the original Xbox people. That seems to be doing well now, doesn't it?).
Regardless, not certain where people are drawing such doom and gloom from; WP market share is still rising, Nokia's earnings were saved by WP8, WP phones sell out everywhere, and demand is still strong. No traction? Dead platform? Oh the desperate naivete.
- 01-30-2013, 08:42 AM #14Phones: Nokia Lumia Icon, Nokia Lumia 928, HTC Windows Phone 8x, HTC Trophy
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- 01-30-2013, 09:56 AM #18
I'm going to quote myself from another thread:
I enjoy the idea and concept of flow, actually what I hope that Windows Phone integrates into their multitasking technology. However, "real time" background tasks (usually useless on a mobile phone) generally does not bode well for battery life. There are trade-offs RIM, er, sorry, Blackberry is making here, and we'll see if they pay off. The Hub basically is a People Hub, however, it's a People Hub on steroids. One thing I wish (and Microsoft has begun this with the integration of VoIP clients) is the ability of developers to integrate their social networks into the People Hub. Also, I wish they had the ability to update those networks apart from the OS. Our Facebook integration should have the ability to at least accept friends and events.
Overall, I still don't think they have enough to "Wow" the Windows Phone crowd. And, apart from brand loyalty, they don't have the ability to strike the Apple/Google crowd. Microsoft has an entire ecosystem, starting with Windows and Xbox to woo customers. BB10 has boring presenters.
Also, on that note, I wonder if these presenters will take heat. Microsoft's presents (Ballmer and others) often take criticisms for their presentations. In my mind, this is mostly due to them not being named Steve Jobs and not working for Apple, but we'll see.
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