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    Article on Engadget states that the demand for W8 &WP is lackluster.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/15/j...dows-products/

    Well Mr Shin can go f*** himself. If Samsung showed the same support for Windows as they do for Android then they would see a better ROI. As great as the S3 sales are and the S4s potentially will be, they can take there plastic **** and f*** off. Ill have my L920 all day over that ****. Also, with the S4 they seem to think they are rhe new apple, nothing innovative but expect people to still buy and i doubt they wont but like Apple, Sammy will realise people get tired of the same old ****. Anyway just my 2cents. I am sure ill have droid fans after my head but this is just my OPINION.
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    It's obvious that their primary focus is Android. More manufacturers that support WP8 would be great but Nokia is doing an amazing job and HTC isn't doing bad either (they recently won the Red Dot design award for the 8X and 8S).
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    As many articles have pointed out, Samsung have their Tizen OS due out later this year, it makes perfect sense for them to try and cobble the competition.
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    Doesn't help when Microsoft is moving as slow as a snail in a traffic jam in updating both operating systems. Too many fixes needed for both W8/RT & WP8 yet Microsoft seems content to wait to fix problems. Windows 8 especially needs it and when you consider that ios and android are eating their lunch left right and center you wonder why they are leaving it so long and don't even update their core apps more frequently.

    Ultimately though I think Microsoft needs to realize their so called "partners" are really that in name only and they are no longer they allies they were previously so they need to start pulling the lead out in both hardware and software for W8 and WP8.
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    Together with the previous rumors of "fixing defects found in Windows Phone apparently need three OEMs to demanding a fix before it is fixed." this paints a very sad picture.
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    Everybody knows Microsoft need to speed up their updates/fixes but they themselves doing anything about it?
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    I think the Ativ S could have been a solid seller for Samsung if it had a multi carrier release live the Galaxy. A television commercial every two seconds wouldn't hurt either. Samsung releases the phone late, in few markets, doesn't promote it at all and then complains about sales... NICE!!!
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    Here's a reasonable three-step program for Microsoft to improve on their WP strategy:


    1) Direct all the resources currently working with Samsung to Nokia (or HTC if they want to commit further in their WP strategy).

    2) Let Nokia have more influencing power in decisions regarding WP software development direction (they have 80% of the marketshare, they should know by now what's needed and what is not). If Nokia wants support for some HW or wants to change something in the software, think about it very carefully before you say no. Or better yet, just do whatever they ask.

    3) Set up a meeting with that JK Shin and kick him in the ****.


    One-horse game is not optimal for Microsoft, but they clearly failed to attract other manufacturers to commit to their platform and it's now time to change the game plan.
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    We all know they're not going to improve. WP7 was released in 2010, we're now in 2013 and we're still not much further than we were 3 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afgzee View Post
    We all know they're not going to improve. WP7 was released in 2010, we're now in 2013 and we're still not much further than we were 3 years ago.
    Exactly. Two steps back, zero steps forward doesn't make for a very successful product. Somebody needs to take a cattle prod to MS and get the ball rolling. Forward, not backwards. There are either major roadblocks with wp8 software or they are going in yet another direction like combining RT and WP kernals. Whatever it is, I've lost my patience.
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    "Well Mr Shin can go f*** himself. If Samsung showed the same support for Windows as they do for Android then they would see a better ROI. As great as the S3 sales are and the S4s potentially will be, they can take there plastic **** and f*** off. Ill have my L920 all day over that ****. Also, with the S4 they seem to think they are rhe new apple, nothing innovative but expect people to still buy and i doubt they wont but like Apple, Sammy will realise people get tired of the same old ****. Anyway just my 2cents. I am sure ill have droid fans after my head but this is just my OPINION."

    Samsung is the new Apple and will have the same lackluster enthusiasm going forward. Google is screwed once Samsung adopts a divide and conquer strategy with Tizen. The low and mid end is where the growth is higher, especially with major countries tipping into recession. Windows phone will do great here.
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    With all the flaws that wp8 it is still easier to use than either ios or android! I would take my Trophy over my wife's iPhone 5 any day of the week. Microsoft just needs to get the apps people want and then get people to see that using them on WP is better! The celebrity my windows phone campaign was a good start but it needs to continue. Curious to see what Verizon will do for the 928.
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    Microsoft is competition for Samsung, tablets and phones. What do you expect him to say?
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    Microsoft is going to have to figure out if their mobile strategy is more suited to an Android type of situation, where they have multiple OEMs making Windows devices, or an Apple type of situation, where they have one OEM making Windows devices.

    Judging by the lackluster support from HTC and Samsung, I would imagine that the latter would be the smarter direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlm1950 View Post
    Microsoft is going to have to figure out if their mobile strategy is more suited to an Android type of situation, where they have multiple OEMs making Windows devices, or an Apple type of situation, where they have one OEM making Windows devices.

    Judging by the lackluster support from HTC and Samsung, I would imagine that the latter would be the smarter direction.
    I would say two OEMs are required. That way they can innovate against each other to bring more to the table. One OEM = rehash after rehash...

    "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'."
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    It sounds for me that Samsung want better deal from Microsoft ... threating is sometimes a way to negotiate ...

    I have some Samsung laptops and all with Windows (a last one with Win 8)... would I buy their laptop without Windows ? - No, I would not ...

    Samsung make their big money by android cp - maybe they have a better deal with Google, who knows - anyway, it is competitive priced combination (like S3 or Note 2) ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    I would say two OEMs are required. That way they can innovate against each other to bring more to the table. One OEM = rehash after rehash...
    That single OEM would still have to compete with other platforms so there would still be a need to innovate, perhaps even greater as they would be the sole maker of WP and would be easier to measure and expose shortcomings against the competition.

    Has to be better than the current situation where two of the chief WP OEM's seem to be the ones most against it.
    I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theefman View Post
    Doesn't help when Microsoft is moving as slow as a snail in a traffic jam in updating both operating systems. Too many fixes needed for both W8/RT & WP8 yet Microsoft seems content to wait to fix problems. Windows 8 especially needs it and when you consider that ios and android are eating their lunch left right and center you wonder why they are leaving it so long and don't even update their core apps more frequently.

    Ultimately though I think Microsoft needs to realize their so called "partners" are really that in name only and they are no longer they allies they were previously so they need to start pulling the lead out in both hardware and software for W8 and WP8.
    Samsung was there for MS in the beginning with their Focus, Omnia and Focus 2 phones and for that they got little in return for their investment. WP is still(?) hovering around 3%. Trying to be objective here but if you owned Samsung where would you have doubts about WP after you supported it in 2010,2011,2012 and say only 3% while your android phone is doing X times better

    As of today (March 15,2013), if Samsung wanted to swap out the OS in their Galaxy 4 device with WP they couldn't because WP currently only supports 2 cores, WP currently does not support 1920x1080 resolution. I think HTC even mentioned that they couldnt make a 2013 Hero phone because of the OS limitations.


    MS is moving too slow for the HW vendors to show case their latest greatest. We all can argue about the need for HW feature X, but OEM don't care and will just put the their latest greatest HW innovations on Android.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Here's a reasonable three-step program for Microsoft to improve on their WP strategy:


    1) Direct all the resources currently working with Samsung to Nokia (or HTC if they want to commit further in their WP strategy).

    2) Let Nokia have more influencing power in decisions regarding WP software development direction (they have 80% of the marketshare, they should know by now what's needed and what is not). If Nokia wants support for some HW or wants to change something in the software, think about it very carefully before you say no. Or better yet, just do whatever they ask.

    3) Set up a meeting with that JK Shin and kick him in the ****.


    One-horse game is not optimal for Microsoft, but they clearly failed to attract other manufacturers to commit to their platform and it's now time to change the game plan.
    I'm down with item #3. LOL!
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    I now have a Samsung Ativ S. I think it is a brilliant device. Will see if it is as trouble free as my HTC 8X. Battery life seems to be very good so far.
    *** Forza Windows Phone 8 ***
    Many answers here in my battery tips & tricks post: http://forums.wpcentral.com/htc-8x/2...ps-htc-8x.html
    Please help me with my WP8 Sync App idea called "WP8 ClonePhone": http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-...lonephone.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrelamont View Post
    Samsung was there for MS in the beginning with their Focus, Omnia and Focus 2 phones and for that they got little in return for their investment. WP is still(?) hovering around 3%. Trying to be objective here but if you owned Samsung where would you have doubts about WP after you supported it in 2010,2011,2012 and say only 3% while your android phone is doing X times better

    As of today (March 15,2013), if Samsung wanted to swap out the OS in their Galaxy 4 device with WP they couldn't because WP currently only supports 2 cores, WP currently does not support 1920x1080 resolution. I think HTC even mentioned that they couldnt make a 2013 Hero phone because of the OS limitations.


    MS is moving too slow for the HW vendors to show case their latest greatest. We all can argue about the need for HW feature X, but OEM don't care and will just put the their latest greatest HW innovations on Android.
    Yes, Microsoft is moving too slow, nobody would argue that. But dumping a couple of devices on the market and not doing anything afterwards to market them is not exactly helping. Look at Nokia, 1st phone released in November 2011 and now they sell the majority of WP devices. All because they dedicated resources to it, promoted it, and innovated on top of it to the point they are winning awards starting with the Lumia 900 and now the 920 is considered the most innovative smartphone, and that is with the same OS Samsung also has access to. So how is Nokia able to achive all this for WP yet Samsung with all their profits and mindshare cant? Simple, they didnt try so they really shouldnt complain.
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    Samsung clearly are not interested in WP. Watching their (awful) presentation yesterday I noticed they only mentioned Android once. It was all about their own software and customizations which they are selling to differentiate themselves from the competition. With WP they are limited to how they can make it unique to them, plus they have to buy a license from Microsoft. You can see their move to Tizen where they will pretty much own they whole platform.
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    Samsung is making excuses for their poor Windows tablet sales and their WP sales.

    They thought their name alone would let them dominate both.

    The Surface, and even Lenovo, dominated them in Windows RT and Windows 8.

    Nokia dominated them in WP8.

    They underestimated their competition in the Windows arena. Now, they're embarrassed and have to make excuses.

    They never went in with a plan to win.

    Then again, with Tizen around the corner, they probably don't care too much about losing.

    They only still speak positively about Android because they're winning there. But they will turn on them soon enough.
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    Samsung is a business and business is extremely good for them with Android... but samsung will without a doubt be dropping Android for Tizen once/if it catches on. may take some time or may not catch on at all because new OS's biggest hurdle is apps to compete with appstores that have been building for years.


    Not a fan of samsungs business model of stealing ideas from others BUT can respect them as a business in terms of profits.
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    This only adds further into the conspiracy that Samsung is intentionally crippling Windows 8/Phone 8. After all, they barely launched the Ativ S. Didn't bother to advertise it. You wouldn't even know it existed if not for a handful of blogs. And quite honestly, they didn't try very hard with that name. The same with the Ativ tablet. Zero marketing or effort into getting their W8/WP8 devices into people's hands. Yet, they spent like 4 billion to advertise their Galaxy line.

    Samsung: So no one's buying a product they didn't even knew existed...

    DING! DING! DING!

    As others have pointed out, Microsoft's 1.5 million Surface tablets sounds like a small number but that equals nearly a billion dollars in revenue in only 5 months. That's including limited supply and retail outlets. What did Microsoft do that Samsung didn't?

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