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    According to a story on NPR, Not only did Stephen Elop once work for Microsoft, ( I didn't know that) but Nokia was already losing market share to IOS and the ad agency's os before Microsoft stepped in. (contrary to popular belief that WP was killing the Nokia brand) I still maintain this stands to be a big win for Microsoft going forward. And if Elop could move the mobile division of Microsoft in the direction we all hope to see, we are in for some beautiful devices very soon. Many which are probably already in development. The only bottleneck I can see, is these busy body carriers like Sprint that only want to push google branded devices and AT&T with its slow upgrade schedule. But for the devices themselves, the stars have aligned.
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    Nokia already had an answer to this in the form of MeeGo and the upcoming release of Symbian^4.

    Unfortunately, we see bureaucracy and inefficiency take its toll.

    While I still maintain that this impending sale is a big loss to Nokia (they could easily net €10 billion for this, +debt).
    With Elop's dedication, though, anything is possible.
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    Outside US I think there is massive appeal for the Nokia Brand in Phones not so much for Microsoft. I want the phones and devices to be still branded Nokia Lumia along with Microsoft branding.
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    Elop more than worked for MSFT. He was, by a hierchical perspective, the number three man there when he left. Maybe number two.
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    He was the head of MS Office.
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    Humm, so he was. For some reason I thought he was the CFO there.
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    You must be new to the mobile scene.

    Elop was also responsible for Nokia exclusively locking Nokia to Windows. Shortly after he stepped in as CEO he struck a deal with MS. MS would pay Nokia $18B over X years to exclusively build smartphone for Windows.
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    Mostly anyone who followed Nokia :)
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    There was lots of controversy over Elop becoming CEO when he did. A lot of top Nokia employees left.

    Some people believe he 'saved' Nokia but if this is saving then I have bridge for sale.

    It was quite clear from the beginning that this was Elop's plan all along, hand over Nokia to MS. He had only his own personal interest at heart. Large stock in MS. Probably large stock in Nokia now. Soon to be CEO of MS. I wonder who he will sell MS to.
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    He had only his own personal interest at heart. Large stock in MS. Probably large stock in Nokia now. Soon to be CEO of MS. I wonder who he will sell MS to.
    There is a very good chance he will get millions if this transaction goes through.

    When Carly was CEO of HP she stood to gain over $100M if the merger happened. And major stake in the board.

    I'm guessing Elop has a similar deal going here.
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    There was lots of controversy over Elop becoming CEO when he did. A lot of top Nokia employees left.

    Some people believe he 'saved' Nokia but if this is saving then I have bridge for sale.

    It was quite clear from the beginning that this was Elop's plan all along, hand over Nokia to MS. He had only his own personal interest at heart. Large stock in MS. Probably large stock in Nokia now. Soon to be CEO of MS. I wonder who he will sell MS to.
    There is an entire board of directors that have a day in what happens. And a chairman.

    The fact is that this move is good for Nokia as a company. It makes them financially super strong.

    Also, if Elop didn't save them, they might not be in business right now at all.
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    He was called a trojan horse precisely because he came from Microsoft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    He was called a trojan horse precisely because he came from Microsoft.
    by people that don't understand the concept of a Trojan Horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    The fact is that this move is good for Nokia as a company. It makes them financially super strong.

    Also, if Elop didn't save them, they might not be in business right now at all.
    I do agree that Elop did help Nokia, that business deal gave Nokia a cash infusion. This deal is also good for Nokia. I don't know it it was good for Microsoft though.

    Google got a lot of heat for its acquisition of Motorola.

    I wonder how other vendors are going to react with this news.

    The advantage that google had was android is open source so they don't completely control android.


    Windows however is controlled by Microsoft which will give Nokia the advantage.
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    well, the reason Elop chose Windows Phone was because he had contacts in Microsoft and he knew it would be better than trying to survive in something like symbian (eww, im sure i didnt love to fix a phone with a no space bug) and the dream of meego.

    Business its not only about being Smart and talented, its also about the "friends" and influences you may have. of couse if Symbian had a future, or meego could compete 2 years ago, Elop wouldnt have chosen WP, but seeing everything was falling down, it was better to look for a partnership with Microsoft and then, focus in the hardware and not only in the software. or something like bringing developers since Im sure meego or symbian wouldnt have as many apps as WP has right now, people say some apps are missing, but it would be worst with symbian or meego.

    people can call Elop whatever they want to. but the partnership saved Nokia, and at the same time gave marketshare to Windows Phone. so whatever people think, well, the truth its if you or anyone have a company, and your company lacks something a friend can help you with, wouldnt you accept it? wouldnt you try to survice with your friend instead of trying to survive alone with the same stuff you are already failing with?
    Im sure you and anyone would choose your friend company to help you survive. and thats what Elop tried to do. and it worked!
    BUT of course in the end the board accepted, and apparently they liked the deal about Microsoft buying part of Nokia. so Elop could have made all the plan (you know conspiracy theories), he could have even said "hey lets go and sell phones on the moon" but nothing would have mattered if the board didnt accept. so its not like Elop decided everything anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_LaRUE View Post
    There was lots of controversy over Elop becoming CEO when he did. A lot of top Nokia employees left.

    Some people believe he 'saved' Nokia but if this is saving then I have bridge for sale.

    It was quite clear from the beginning that this was Elop's plan all along, hand over Nokia to MS. He had only his own personal interest at heart. Large stock in MS. Probably large stock in Nokia now. Soon to be CEO of MS. I wonder who he will sell MS to.
    Sounds like you're saying IOS had little to no bearing on Nokia's decline in the mobile market prior to Stephan Elop's tenure at Nokia.
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    Really started to think this was planned since the beginning
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    You must be new to the mobile scene.

    Elop was also responsible for Nokia exclusively locking Nokia to Windows. Shortly after he stepped in as CEO he struck a deal with MS. MS would pay Nokia $18B over X years to exclusively build smartphone for Windows.
    There was a scene? I didn't know there was a "scene" with mobile back when I first used Blackberry and Windows Mobile and that wasn't until after my undergrad years. Moreover, at least in the US, most of the nation had no MOBILE when I started and FEW could even afford it.
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    So Stephen Elop once worked for Microsoft? Who knew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazmac View Post
    There was a scene? I didn't know there was a "scene" with mobile back when I first used Blackberry and Windows Mobile and that wasn't until after my undergrad years. Moreover, at least in the US, most of the nation had no MOBILE when I started and FEW could even afford it.
    I wouldn't say there was a mobile scene either. Most smartphone users in the US back then had BlackBerry, Palm or WinMo. I had Nokia devices, but I didn't know anyone else who had them; the majority of people I knew either never heard of Nokia or thought it was strictly a dumbphone brand.
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    There was a scene? I didn't know there was a "scene"
    Hey listen here, the world is a stage and we are all actors.

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    ... I first used Blackberry and Windows Mobile.... when I started and FEW could even afford it.
    And you still did not know Elop worked at MS. If you've been using smartphone for so long you had to living under a rock to not have heard the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _X_ View Post
    Hey listen here, the world is a stage and we are all actors.


    And you still did not know Elop worked at MS. If you've been using smartphone for so long you had to living under a rock to not have heard the news.
    I've known people who used Palm devices back in the day, but I couldn't name a single executive from Palm. I'm only familiar with some of the HP CEOs.
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    If going the WP way was the right choice only time will tell, but what I could never understand was the "burning platform" memo, in which Elop basically killed any remaining symbian sale without having a suitable replacement for the operating system.
    In that memo, Elop told the world not to buy anymore symbian devices, which accelerated Nokia's fall.
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    Thought this was well known to be honest
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