- 02-22-2013, 12:17 PM #1
Intel now has shipping the Clover Trail+ Z2580. This will likely replace the Z2760.
So, here is the apparent difference with the current Clover Trail Z2760:
Z2760: Dual Core 1.8Ghz
Z2580: Dual Core 2.0Ghz
Z2760: SGX545 - single core 533mhz
Z2580: SGX544mp2 - dual core 533mhz
How will these two line up in speed do you all think?
Last edited by Ruined; 02-22-2013 at 12:38 PM.
- 02-22-2013, 02:01 PM #3
The tests of the processor and the first phone to use it, the Lenovo K900, are absolutely glowing.
Lenovo K900's Intel Processor Scores High in Benchmarks
THe Lenovo phone is ripe for a Windows Phone 8.5 once HD is ready and the phone adds LTE?
Next year Wintel phones will be prime time.
the K900 sports a 1080p IPS capacitive touch display that features Gorilla Glass 2. The resolution equals a pixel density of more than 400ppi (pixels per-inch).
Powered by Intel's Atom Z2580 2GHz dual-core processor and 2 GB of RAM, the K900 boasts a 13-megapixel camera that will feature a Sony Exmor BSI sensor, accompanied by a front-facing 2-megapixel camera. It'll be available with 16 GB of internal storage.
Test results blow away the S4 Snapdragon is the well written about rumor and beat teh Tegra 4
CES 2013: Intel-Powered Lenovo K900 Gets Benchmarked, Results Are Impressive - Softpedia
- 02-22-2013, 03:10 PM #5
- 02-22-2013, 04:12 PM #6
Clover trail is garbage! It's made on 32nm.
You want a Atom made on 22nm!
Bay Trail is made on 22nm and it's out this year at the end of September 2013.
- Intel 64 (64-bit)
- Quad-Core with HT
- Ultra low power
- Direct-X 11.1 / OpenGL 4.3
- 64-bit Dual Channel 1066MHz
- Was made to destroy ARMv7
- Q4 2013
It's all about the "nm" ...with the Atom on 22nm it changes everything and now can destroy ARMv7 Snapdragon 800 series processors!
Last edited by travisel; 02-22-2013 at 07:30 PM.
- 02-22-2013, 04:43 PM #7
...and if you wait until next year there will be something that decimates Bay Trail :)
There is no doubt Bay Trail will smoke Clover Trail/Clover Trail+, but if Clover Trail does the job for someone then it is not necessarily a bad buy.
- 02-22-2013, 05:18 PM #8
General availability this time next year with a few Holiday devices for 4th Qtr 2013. I expect my 920 replacement to be Atom 64-bit.
- 02-22-2013, 06:26 PM #9
Windows Phone 8 is ARMv7 so it will continue to use next generation Snapdragon 600/800 series for WP8.1, WP8.5 etc. But next generation WP9 in Q4 2014 could use Intel Atom 22nm processor's then move to 14nm Atom in the future? All the 22nm/14nm Atom processor's coming are Intel 64 that means "64-bit" and use Intel 7th+ generation graphics used in Intel Ivybridge /Haswell processor's!
If Microsoft uses ARMv8 for next generation WP9 it has backwards compatibility with ARMv7 WP8 software! But if it goes with Atom it loses backwards compatibility!
- Direct-X 11.1 / OpenGL 4.3
- ARMv7 is 32-bit with 3GB RAM limited!
- ARMv8 is 64-bit to use 4GB+ RAM!
- Intel 64 is x86-64-bit 22nm/14nm next generation Atom.
- 02-22-2013, 08:32 PM #11
This where the fun is at. I expect ARM devices will be the cheaper no contract and Asian devices and the Intel Atom 64 will be the Pro line for devices for Enterprise and power users.
Depending on your source there will be an Atom Windows 8 phone and phablet that is a predecessor to the "write once, compile many"Jupiter. Speaking as a developer I'd expect the ability to recompile a Windows 8 Phone App for an Atom phablet to be just about painless as long as MS gets the API right.
MS pretty much has to address the 5.5" to 7,5" market space with Galaxy and Nexus and Kindle dropping bombs in that space and Ubuntu joining the battle. Of course the Sept Developer Conference will set the stage. If its pretty much all Win 8 and Windows Blue and the upcoming phone drop with Notification Center then Jupiter might be two years away
- 02-22-2013, 08:47 PM #12
One Windows for all...Desktop, Notebook, Netbook, Tablets, Phone etc etc. This makes sense!
What do you think? 😎
- 02-22-2013, 11:06 PM #13
- 02-23-2013, 12:30 AM #14
Again with cost on these new chips has to do with nm and chip yield's.
- ARMv8 SOC to be made on 20nm then move to 14nm.
- Atom SOC 22nm Silvermont then move to 14nm Airmont.
You could be right with ARMv8 on smaller 20nm production!
I still say go with Bay Trail Atom! 😁
- 02-23-2013, 10:38 AM #15
Take a look at NVIDIA now, since ATI has been noncompetitive lately NVIDIA has upped the "high end" price of their line from 499 to 999! Without competition you risk monopoly and high prices.
- 02-23-2013, 11:44 AM #16
Then you see that Lenovo phone and margins are certainly not the isue now. I think Miicrosoft has an Enterprise Phone and Tablet and that's all they were shooting for in 2013 to go along with the Sky Drive, Skype, and Office Web platform. while rolling out Windows 8 desktop/laptop. Next year its all Xbox and Entertainment and the consumer digital media eco-system while further consolidating Cloud strategies.
Most forward looking product: Lenovo portable 14" touch screen monitor with Stylus. The perfect travel companion for an Atom-based phone running RT or Pro.
Lenovo ThinkVision LT1423p - LCD Monitors - CNET Reviews#!
- 02-23-2013, 02:20 PM #17
Too bad PS4 & Xbox didn't use the TITAN "GK110" 😁
- 02-23-2013, 03:37 PM #18
I have the ATIV S WP8 and can see if Microsoft uses ARMv8 for WP9 the next SOC they would use the upcoming NVIDIA 20nm Tegra 5 ARMv8 "Maxwell GPU" seems the best looking ARMv8 so far?
Or Intel 22nm Bay Trail Atom "GT1 GPU" could get the job done just as good as Tegra 5?
Both NVIDIA Tegra & Intel Atom are very big in the tablets & smartphone market, with the next big SOC processor battle of 64-bit generation between Intel 64 /ARMv8 going to be so awesome in technology.
- Tegra 5 "Stark" 20nm ARMv8
- Atom 4th generation "Bay Trail" & "Valleyview" 22nm Intel 64
Atom Quad-Core Bay Trail made for Tablets and Dual-Core Valleyview for Smartphone's.
- 02-23-2013, 10:48 PM #20
Intel owns 20% of Imagination Technologies, PowerVR SGX544MP2 found in Clover Trail+ is about 50% performance of that used in Sony PS Vita PowerVR SGX543MP4+ portable gaming system.
- Direct-X 9.3/OpenGL 2.1
- Dual-Core @300MHz
- 4-Pipe per-core
- 133M polygon/s
Clover Trail+ SGX544MP2 @300MHz GPU is faster than Apple A5 SGX543MP2 @250MHz but slower than Apple A6 SGX543MP3 @266MHz.
So Clover Trail+ PowerVR Graphics are about average using basic Direct-X 9.3 level found in most Tablet's & Smartphone's of todays' base graphics! Of course this all changes with Bay Trail. 😁
- 02-23-2013, 11:14 PM #21
Is Clover Trail+ to be made available for tablets? I have only heard of phones using it and the model signifies that as well... I guess since Clover Trail got off to a late start they need to move that product first and may just skip to Bay Trail later in the year.
- 02-24-2013, 02:24 AM #22
Do you buy now or do you wait?
Would you buy a Sony PS3 now knowing that Sony PS4 out 7 months from now? Again it's about price!
- PS3 $179. vs PS4 $419.
The reason I'm using Sony PS as a example is that hardware updated differences between PS3 vs PS4 is = to Clover Trail+ vs Bay Trail.
Do you buy Intel's refresh Atom Clover Trail+ device filling in the time gap between Intel's all new next generation Bay Trail Atom device? 😎
- 02-24-2013, 01:30 PM #23
Well the problem is I have a laptop whose battery died, so its either spend $75 on a new battery for a laptop that's probably worth $75, or buy a clover trail. The thing is, the person I'm buying it for does not play any 3-D games. They only play cut the rope, zuma, solitaire, etc. And, most of the usage is web, facebook, email, word. They also want a tablet, with the flexibility of using a keyboard on their lap. So a clover trail envy x2 looks like the perfect buy right now.
But, if there is something better coming out by april that has been kept under wraps I'd try to put it off.
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