03-03-2017 12:50 AM
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  1. pkcable's Avatar
    I might get lynched for saying this, but I say go for Win 10. It's less of a hassle than Win 8, and if you go through all the privacy settings carefully, you should be fine in that regard. Sticking with Win 7, and getting a new machine only to install Win 7 on it, are two different things. Support is supposed to end by 2020 I believe. So it actually would be a step back.

    My guess is that if you were even remotely comfortable with the idea of using Linux you wouldn't even be asking this question. At least not on, you know, Windows... Central.
    Some of us have no choice. I'm facing that dilemma myself at my office. We have our main software, a custom app which does not work on Win10, so we have no choice but to buy Win10 computers and downgrade them to Win7. Or we have to rely donations of Win7 PCs from other departments within the city.
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    01-30-2017 08:00 AM
  2. grahamf's Avatar
    Some of us have no choice. I'm facing that dilemma myself at my office. We have our main software, a custom app which does not work on Win10, so we have no choice but to buy Win10 computers and downgrade them to Win7. Or we have to rely donations of Win7 PCs from other departments within the city.
    I'd be concerned about your software not getting any further support in case something else that was unexpected breaks it. I don't know what it is off hand so I can't give a precise example.
    01-30-2017 09:52 PM
  3. HM84's Avatar
    I actually faced a similar problem with a DOS application that I was using at Uni; an EM simulator. The problem was not that it was DOS, but apparently, that it was programmed on an obsolete architecture. So it would render results that were entirely nonsensical on the brand spanking new WinXP machines we were using at the time. I mentioned this during an interview for a job at MS when the topic of backwards compatibility was brought up.

    pkcable's problem might be that the developer vanished into thin air since the last version.

    On the topic of XP, I noticed that for a while after support ended, one bank's ATMs still used it (in fact until now). Glad I got my money outta there. Generally enterprises are bound to have a much slower upgrade path, and I assume that IT teams have plenty of Win 7 (or whatever ancient OS) licenses handy to maintain the status quo for as long as possible. A family member still uses Office 2003 because he doesn't want to lose the macros he toiled over. I say unless your back is against the wall, if you love it set it free and embrace the new.
    01-30-2017 11:52 PM
  4. pkcable's Avatar
    I'd be concerned about your software not getting any further support in case something else that was unexpected breaks it. I don't know what it is off hand so I can't give a precise example.
    Of course this is a concern, and I for one would LOVE to get it updated, BUT.......

    I actually faced a similar problem with a DOS application that I was using at Uni; an EM simulator. The problem was not that it was DOS, but apparently, that it was programmed on an obsolete architecture. So it would render results that were entirely nonsensical on the brand spanking new WinXP machines we were using at the time. I mentioned this during an interview for a job at MS when the topic of backwards compatibility was brought up.

    pkcable's problem might be that the developer vanished into thin air since the last version.

    On the topic of XP, I noticed that for a while after support ended, one bank's ATMs still used it (in fact until now). Glad I got my money outta there. Generally enterprises are bound to have a much slower upgrade path, and I assume that IT teams have plenty of Win 7 (or whatever ancient OS) licenses handy to maintain the status quo for as long as possible. A family member still uses Office 2003 because he doesn't want to lose the macros he toiled over. I say unless your back is against the wall, if you love it set it free and embrace the new.
    Well they ARE still around, but who knows for how long, they are a smaller vendor. Additionally we are a gov't agency with budget constraints, and the price quoted (well talked about) for bringing the app up to Win10 compatibility was just too much for us to bear at this time. We are looking at budgeting for fiscal 2018/2019 AND we may just replace the whole system. THAT decision has not been made yet, and is partially out of our hands, as their is a statewide agency involved also that may help with funding, etc.


    HOW did I let us get so far off track LOL!
    01-31-2017 07:56 AM
  5. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    I highly recommend looking for an older, higher end, ThinkPad that came preloaded with Windows 7 (this ensures that performance will be well balanced and that device drivers exist and optimized for the OS).

    They are built like a tank (I just bought a T42 off eBay, perfect condition, $23), parts are still available, and software support still exists.
    Guytronic likes this.
    02-05-2017 08:44 AM
  6. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Most laptops will have windows 10 on them now so you would be looking for a laptop with a downgrade license or if you are really hard pressed you will most likely have to purchase a ODM / system builder license.

    Unless you are not fussed and willing to purchase second hand.

    Personally bar the flaws in Windows 10 it is substantially more hardware efficient and not too mention you don't have access to direct x 12 so there is that if you're a gamer.
    Guytronic likes this.
    02-22-2017 10:13 PM
  7. Victor Carvalho's Avatar
    Only Apple or Chromebooks
    03-02-2017 07:56 AM
  8. pkcable's Avatar
    Only Apple or Chromebooks

    You are forgetting older versions of Windows and Linux based laptops.
    xandros9 likes this.
    03-02-2017 02:39 PM
  9. midnightfrolic's Avatar
    I need a new laptop, but I don't want Windows 10. Windows 8 is bad enough. Are there any laptops out there that don't have Windows 10?
    You could get a MacBook Pro. Or just get a decent Windows laptop and put Lite Step on it. It will feel like a different OS. :)
    pkcable likes this.
    03-03-2017 12:50 AM
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