1. Rusty James's Avatar
    Ship sinking. I'll throw you a life preserver. Sad because I like the 950. The world hates it.
    03-15-2017 11:34 AM
  2. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    Hey downer rusty. Chin up WM10 isnt dead as it's still getting updates and it works great. Pretty sure only your ship has sinking.
    barotropic likes this.
    03-15-2017 12:25 PM
  3. mtf1380's Avatar
    to each their own...I do believe @fulnix is closer to the truth: "I think MS is playing the long game and far ahead of the others", and I think iOS and Android will be playing catch-up soon enough:)
    leonelfunes32 likes this.
    03-15-2017 01:25 PM
  4. Rusty James's Avatar
    The downer is that all the cool new products leave out windows phones. I am sick of " compatible with apple and android". You have all seen that. Wake up. You guys can be the Captains and go down with the ship. Hopefully things change. I do love my 950. Loved my 920. It's just a shame that the app gap and compatible problems are so severe.
    03-15-2017 01:58 PM
  5. Renglal Joute's Avatar
    If only project astoria is continued then the app-gap wont have to be far away from ios and android
    03-15-2017 02:03 PM
  6. anthonyng's Avatar
    There are some cool apps, I learned about MyerList recently and I'm starting to really enjoy what it offers compared to what I want from a todo/check list.

    Workinghours is a new one that I think I have a lot of use for, need to give it a longer shot to see if can help with tracking my workflow of multiple clients and billing. I tend to short change myself a lot because I'm not tracking it very well.
    @Rusty James, go ahead and chase those nice shiny things. No ones stopping you.
    03-15-2017 03:26 PM
  7. ML10's Avatar
    Yeah really wish Astoria was still going.... that was probably the biggest thing Windows 10 was going to offer. I've heard that you can still sideload though someway....
    03-15-2017 04:03 PM
  8. fpena911's Avatar
    I use my 950 at home now to surf the web and access the news. But a few months ago I had to give it up as my daily driver.

    A lot of you say the apps are not a concern and I used to think the same too. But there are so many conveniences that are built around apps that you're really missing out on some of the advantages of a smartphone by not using them. Yes you technically can access most functionality by logging into the mobile site of a company but I've found that Edge isn't always compatible with them and I end up with a less than optimal experience.

    I look at my 950 compared to my Android and the UI is beautiful, the keyboard feels very comfortable to me, and I love the Cortana integration. But since I've moved to the Android I can be much more productive with my smartphone. Nope still not using Snapchat or Pokemon Go but many, many productivity tools are not available on W10M that I can use on my Android device.

    I made my Android look like W10M because I'm a fan of the interface, it's still not the same but a compromise I've made because now my phone is that much more useful to me. I'm angry at MS for letting this platform die when there was so much potential. I'd love to go back to W10M full-time but there's no advantage in it for me. I end up having to jump through hoops for very little benefit.

    Hope it changes but I couldn't stick around to wait.
    Player Piano likes this.
    03-15-2017 04:24 PM
  9. TgeekB's Avatar
    How sad. Good try Microsoft. But you lost the cellular game.
    I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this post.
    I recently purchased an Alcatel Idol4s. Better than any Android phone I've had. Can do anything I need. The OS is still being developed and updated. The Surface line is writing the book on mobile devices so I am excited to see what the future brings. Trying to make people feel as bad as you is, well, sad. If you're not happy there are other platforms. Try something different. Have fun, but don't rain on other peoples parade please.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-15-2017 04:42 PM
  10. SL2's Avatar
    If there's something I hate more than people complaining it's people hinting that third party apps are somehow inferior or just for fun, compared to what the phone offers out of the box.
    Look, people may need apps for reasons that doesn't apply to you. If you don't like this thread then don't read it. The title should give you a hint of what it's about.

    I don't care about snapchat, and I have yet to find a phone game that I really like (not that I've been looking that much).

    If you want to take the train here where I live you have to either buy the ticket from a machine before boarding the train, or buy the ticket in an app (not for W10). There's no way to buy a ticket on board, or from a web browser. There's a 110 USD fine for not having a ticket.

    This is a major inconvenience, I have a phone that would be fully capable to do this, if it had the app. All my friends can just board the train but I can't.

    Another example is my bank, there's no app for it.

    Windows Mobile may not be dead, but its app market is slowly dying. Maybe MS will turn things around at some point and make developers come back, but that won't help me now, or the coming two+ years, with my current phone.

    All this has nothing to do with whether I like W10M or not. I really like this OS.
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    03-15-2017 05:50 PM
  11. Rusty James's Avatar
    It's no fun when maybe 1 in a hundred new products make them compatible with windows phone. It's probably 1 in a thousand or worse. The Windows app store has about 20 apps and games that people use. The rest of the store is garbage. Total garbage so they can claim a big number. Maybe you have noticed that most articles are about apps leaving windows.
    03-15-2017 06:29 PM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    I don't chose my phone based on the latest fad, but on what I need.
    I understand some people need a certain app for work or convenience. Nothing wrong with that and there are other platforms that may fit your needs better.
    That doesn't mean this platform is dead. Its not Android or ios, but that's why I like it. Competition is a good thing - don't wish for less platforms or we all lose.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-15-2017 06:51 PM
  13. raycpl's Avatar
    Ok. Where is that darn dual boot phone we have been waiting for.
    Boot to W10M for daily driver. Boot to Android once in a blue moon for the banking apps.



    ... !!
    03-15-2017 07:12 PM
  14. Some Gadget Geek's Avatar
    For me its mostly about getting the apps I want. Many apps I used in the past have dropped support for windows phone due to lack of usage. It all depends on how hard I want to die for not getting what I want, but hey, Nokia's got a good egg.
    03-15-2017 07:15 PM
  15. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    I'd be all for something like that.
    raycpl likes this.
    03-15-2017 07:51 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    Ok. Where is that darn dual boot phone we have been waiting for.
    Boot to W10M for daily driver. Boot to Android once in a blue moon for the banking apps.



    ... !!
    Boot to iOS so you can hang with the cool people on a Friday night.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
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    03-15-2017 08:09 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It's no fun when maybe 1 in a hundred new products make them compatible with windows phone. It's probably 1 in a thousand or worse. The Windows app store has about 20 apps and games that people use. The rest of the store is garbage. Total garbage so they can claim a big number. Maybe you have noticed that most articles are about apps leaving windows.
    I'm going out on a limb here but it seems as though you don't like Windows.
    libra89, aximtreo and TgeekB like this.
    03-15-2017 08:33 PM
  18. Rusty James's Avatar
    When a new product you want makes you go buy an iPhone, android,or ipad because they won't make an app for windows phone you guys will get it.
    03-16-2017 05:39 AM
  19. SL2's Avatar
    Oh I don't mind being moved, I know I'm complaining and I really don't see a reason for having these kind of posts spread out all over the forum.

    I think the word dead means two different things here.

    1 - What Windows Central is talking about in their articles. Will MS stop developing Windows 10 Mobile? Short answer is probably no.

    2 - What many users are talking about. Is Windows 10 Mobile good enough to be useful in everyday life, with needed apps available? Will it change for the better anytime soon?

    Even if 1 is true, it doesn't really help concerned users in 2 .
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    03-16-2017 06:52 AM
  20. sd4f's Avatar
    It's no fun when maybe 1 in a hundred new products make them compatible with windows phone. It's probably 1 in a thousand or worse. The Windows app store has about 20 apps and games that people use. The rest of the store is garbage. Total garbage so they can claim a big number. Maybe you have noticed that most articles are about apps leaving windows.
    I would argue that all the app stores are like that; they're proliferated with shovelware and garbage apps.

    I think one thing MS can certainly do is app store optimisation. They really should put some significant effort into targeting apps to users, even the free stuff. Basically do things like other digital stores, steam being one example, in order to get people to check things out, and just get in the habit of trying and using apps.

    I was initially sceptical about the app store in windows 10, but after using a few, especially on my surface, but desktop pc as well, it's a lot more convenient. I only found out recently that the arduino IDE is available in the app store. That's a great thing for me, but obviously not for everyone.

    This is something which they can't leave as 'good enough' it needs to be the best. It needs to make 3rd party developers feel confident that releasing a good app will be rewarding for them, only then will we start to see better attention to the platform.
    03-16-2017 07:16 AM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    When a new product you want makes you go buy an iPhone, android,or ipad because they won't make an app for windows phone you guys will get it.
    I get it right now. I don't let marketing run my life. That's the purpose of marketing, making the public think they "need" something. How did we ever get by before that product existed?
    I'm not saying its not nice or fun to have an app or product related to something you like, but think about how many things you were convinced you needed and now never use. If that's what you want, Android and iPhone are right there for the taking. Take a big bite and enjoy. I would rather have a product that fits my needs and wants, not a marketers, and be comfortable with what I choose. So yes, I get it, more than you realize.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    03-16-2017 06:27 PM
  22. TechFreak1's Avatar
    I get it right now. I don't let marketing run my life. That's the purpose of marketing, making the public think they "need" something. How did we ever get by before that product existed?
    I'm not saying its not nice or fun to have an app or product related to something you like, but think about how many things you were convinced you needed and now never use. If that's what you want, Android and iPhone are right there for the taking. Take a big bite and enjoy. I would rather have a product that fits my needs and wants, not a marketers, and be comfortable with what I choose. So yes, I get it, more than you realize.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Ah... it's not just marketing there is alot of analytics involved... either it's old school through customer surveys, user enagement through conversations or through the glory of the digital era - telemetry and click through data.

    But the latter is well a double edged sword, it literally puts engineers into a bubble because people become statistics and that is when silly decisions happen.

    One cannot quantify creativity, it's a well orchestrated environment of pretty much everything .

    Anyway going back to the topic at hand...


    Just to throw my personal experience into the mix as an additional perspective.

    I too have dabbled with other ecosystems recently and I have to say my experience like with windows mobile 10 as has been less than stellar.

    When people discuss platform they usually look at operating systems and that in my view is the incorrect way to look at it. It's the ecosystem as a whole that needs to be considered, the merits and disadvantages.

    Simply does it work in practise, is it easily fixeable, sustainable and manageable be it through the allocation of time, resources and funds.

    So use what works for you.

    Soo I spent, the past while just rambling... and realised I've typed a 30 page novel on ios, android and windows mobile... oops

    TLDR.

    Dabbled in ios, android and for me both have reached the precipice without a substantial overhaul. Windows Mobile has still potential especially with Windows on ARM. But that's in Microsoft's court as intentions and implementations are vastly too different things.

    Thus sticking to WM10 for now, if I had to switch I'd be looking at Sailfish.
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    03-17-2017 12:58 AM
  23. Elky64's Avatar
    I get it right now. I don't let marketing run my life. That's the purpose of marketing, making the public think they "need" something. How did we ever get by before that product existed?
    I'm not saying its not nice or fun to have an app or product related to something you like, but think about how many things you were convinced you needed and now never use. If that's what you want, Android and iPhone are right there for the taking. Take a big bite and enjoy. I would rather have a product that fits my needs and wants, not a marketers, and be comfortable with what I choose. So yes, I get it, more than you realize.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4

    Windows Mobile needs to cover a broader spectrum where it not only "fits your needs" but others as well. Don't see that as a wrong or unrealistic expectation especially in today's world. To me those who complain have the real passion for the platform by not being acceptant of its "as is" status, and rightfully so.

    In all honesty, Windows phone marketing/hype back when (what there was) grabbed hold of me making it enticing enough to buy into, I'm sure that holds true for most then, and now. So you're not caught up in all the hype, good on you but not everyone works the same and suppose the reason for the designation "individuals"... Each with their own wants, needs and expectations.

    I do question those that say "I don't need apps". Give me any phone and I’ll bet a non-native app or two will be present. Whether those apps are used lots or are needed doesn’t matter, if it enhances one’s phone functionality when asked upon, that is what counts, no? Last I heard apps are what make a smartphone, well, smart. The types of smarts are the differentiator since each user has a different app requirement for their needs.
    03-17-2017 05:06 AM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    Windows Mobile needs to cover a broader spectrum where it not only "fits your needs" but others as well. Don't see that as a wrong or unrealistic expectation especially in today's world. To me those who complain have the real passion for the platform by not being acceptant of its "as is" status, and rightfully so.

    In all honesty, Windows phone marketing/hype back when (what there was) grabbed hold of me making it enticing enough to buy into, I'm sure that holds true for most then, and now. So you're not caught up in all the hype, good on you but not everyone works the same and suppose the reason for the designation "individuals"... Each with their own wants, needs and expectations.

    I do question those that say "I don't need apps". Give me any phone and I’ll bet a non-native app or two will be present. Whether those apps are used lots or are needed doesn’t matter, if it enhances one’s phone functionality when asked upon, that is what counts, no? Last I heard apps are what make a smartphone, well, smart. The types of smarts are the differentiator since each user has a different app requirement for their needs.
    But Windows mobile is not trying to be a consumer device, not trying to compete with Android and ios, right? It is developing its own niche market as many successful products do. Why do we need another app centric mobile device, we already have them?
    This is the quandary I believe people get themselves into; they want Windows mobile to be what they want it to be and, when its not, declare it "dead". For some of us it does fit what we need in a mobile device. As the OS develops more people may realize this, but we will have to wait and see. I will repeat something I said earlier, competition is good and we don't need another copycat OS. I find this all very interesting though.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-17-2017 06:20 AM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    But Windows mobile is not trying to be a consumer device, not trying to compete with Android and ios, right?
    I'm not sure how WM can be classified as not "trying to compete". If you carry a WM device, you do not carry an iPhone or Android phone (generally speaking). If you did not have WM, you would have an iPhone or Android phone. How is that not competition?

    If WM was truly not competition, everyone carrying one would also carry an iPhone or Android.

    Why do we need another app centric mobile device, we already have them?
    I don't know; ask the fans. Microsoft seems to think we don't need another one, but its fans do.
    03-17-2017 09:08 AM
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