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  1. PerfectReign's Avatar
    I have an A&T as well as a T-Mobile sim in my X3.

    On a regular basis I see an H or H+ next to the signal strength indicator.

    Any idea what this is?

    I know of 2G, 3G, EDGE, LTE, LTE+

    Summer_Moon likes this.
    11-01-2016 01:33 PM
  2. spicypadthai's Avatar
    It's HSPA+ or 4G. Faster than 3G, not as fast as LTE. Here's another thread from a few years ago with some good info.
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    11-01-2016 02:14 PM
  3. xandros9's Avatar
    H = HSPA = 3G
    H+ = HSDPA = 3.5G (it's a bit speedier but not at LTE levels - marketed as 4G a few years ago by some US carriers and LTE was marketed as 4G LTE)
    11-01-2016 04:32 PM
  4. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Ahhh, those. I had forgotten. I once rooted my Note 2 and had installed Cyanogenmod, and used to see HPSA/HPSA+ on that. I figured it was an Android thing.

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    11-02-2016 07:56 AM
  5. speccy's Avatar
    H = HSPA = 3G
    H+ = HSDPA = 3.5G (it's a bit speedier but not at LTE levels - marketed as 4G a few years ago by some US carriers and LTE was marketed as 4G LTE)
    On my L950 in the UK, I'm sure I've seen 3G, 4G, H and H+ at different times. So is H definitely just 3G?
    11-03-2016 07:37 AM
  6. Corwin_Amber's Avatar
    Yes. Has nothing to do with LTE (4G)
    11-03-2016 08:57 AM
  7. speccy's Avatar
    Yes. Has nothing to do with LTE (4G)
    LTE is not something you see indicated on a UK handset, unless said handset was originally destined for a different geographical location. LTE is not a well known standard in the UK, handsets show 4G instead. Imported phones sometimes show LTE much like my cousins HTC One M8 Windows phone which did in fact show LTE. It went back home to die though - when he was in the US recently, it started off when he was recording a lot of HD footage, the phone got very hot, so much so that the HTC lettering on the back expanded more then the metal casing and popped out, never to be seen again...
    11-03-2016 09:17 AM
  8. Corwin_Amber's Avatar
    No insult meant, just talking standards here. Whatever marketing does with that... ;) Here (Germany) you can get both, depending on variant. 4G or LTE. But HSDPA (3.5G) never gives you a 4G indicator or is marketed as 4G, AFAIK.
    11-03-2016 09:58 AM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    On my L950 in the UK, I'm sure I've seen 3G, 4G, H and H+ at different times. So is H definitely just 3G?
    That's odd, but yea.

    I had a Lumia 920 that saw three different regions on it.

    For 3G I usually saw H but on another ROM it was 3G.

    On AT&T, it displayed 4G for H+ while on the French one I saw H+ most of the time. (I broke LTE in the upgrade to Lumia Cyan)

    When I got onto a different ROM in an attempt to fix LTE, it displayed L.
    AT&T would display LTE for that.
    The French ROM pre-Cyan would display 4G.
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    11-03-2016 10:12 AM
  10. Summer_Moon's Avatar
    That's odd, but yea.

    I had a Lumia 920 that saw three different regions on it.

    For 3G I usually saw H but on another ROM it was 3G.

    On AT&T, it displayed 4G for H+ while on the French one I saw H+ most of the time. (I broke LTE in the upgrade to Lumia Cyan)

    When I got onto a different ROM in an attempt to fix LTE, it displayed L.
    AT&T would display LTE for that.
    The French ROM pre-Cyan would display 4G.
    FYI, these connection strings that get displayed are mapped in the registry:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\OEM\DataConnectionStrings

    So for example if the radio is connected to UMTS_HSDPA it is set to display 4G (which is incorrect it should be 3.5G)

    In fact all of the WCDMA frequencies are set to display 4G, which is really false marketing since WCDMA is 3G. And U.S. LTE is really just 4G, but marketed as 4G LTE. It's entirely messed up, but the mapping should be based upon the SIM you are using. I have a Cricket SIM so it uses the false marketing descriptions AT&T has.

    Anyways, if you don't like what it is displaying you can changing the mapping to what you like :), post 4 on this link List Your InterOp Tool Registry Edits Here - Windows Central Forums
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    11-03-2016 02:42 PM
  11. xandros9's Avatar
    FYI, these connection strings that get displayed are mapped in the registry:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\OEM\DataConnectionStrings

    So for example if the radio is connected to UMTS_HSDPA it is set to display 4G (which is incorrect it should be 3.5G)

    In fact all of the WCDMA frequencies are set to display 4G, which is really false marketing since WCDMA is 3G. And U.S. LTE is really just 4G, but marketed as 4G LTE. It's entirely messed up, but the mapping should be based upon the SIM you are using. I have a Cricket SIM so it uses the false marketing descriptions AT&T has.

    Anyways, if you don't like what it is displaying you can changing the mapping to what you like :), post 4 on this link List Your InterOp Tool Registry Edits Here - Windows Central Forums
    Oh thanks! But that 920 is long gone! :)
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    11-03-2016 03:16 PM
  12. speccy's Avatar
    Maybe it would be better if instead of 3G/4G or whatever, it said slow, medium, fast, maximum :) Then again, perhaps not...
    Summer_Moon likes this.
    11-04-2016 05:02 AM
  13. xandros9's Avatar
    Maybe it would be better if instead of 3G/4G or whatever, it said slow, medium, fast, maximum :) Then again, perhaps not...
    The problem with that is that it takes up more space and is purely subjective. The iPhone 3G was pretty speedy when it came out, etc.
    11-04-2016 12:03 PM
  14. speccy's Avatar
    I wasn't really suggesting that it be done, but just as a matter of fact, "maximum" is only one character longer than "LTE 4G" and it could be truncated to just "max", so if someone really wanted to do it, they could without losing any space in real terms.
    Last edited by speccy; 11-05-2016 at 04:41 AM.
    11-04-2016 04:29 PM
  15. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Even more odd,, when I'm driving and using Waze, I'll also see LTE+

    No idea.

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    11-04-2016 11:25 PM
  16. Bobby Bahmanpour's Avatar
    Is it me or when you're on a Call this drops to H and very slow.

    I had issues including the continuum and the fact that it's real slow during a call.

    Well I got a new phone (actually probably an older version cause it has it's S# on the back cover, My first one didn't) and this phone has the same issues. They changed it thinking it had to do with the motherboard but no such luck.

    Called Tmobile and they said try sim card setting where it says the MAX band on this phone is 4G so they said it's really not a LTE phone...........

    So isn't that false advertising for this phone?????? There isn't anything better on this phone than my OOOOOLD 1520, I miss that phone, everything actually worked after YEeeeeeeeeears of having to put up with MS.
    11-06-2016 04:45 PM
  17. Nate W's Avatar
    Is it me or when you're on a Call this drops to H and very slow.

    I had issues including the continuum and the fact that it's real slow during a call.

    Well I got a new phone (actually probably an older version cause it has it's S# on the back cover, My first one didn't) and this phone has the same issues. They changed it thinking it had to do with the motherboard but no such luck.

    Called Tmobile and they said try sim card setting where it says the MAX band on this phone is 4G so they said it's really not a LTE phone...........

    So isn't that false advertising for this phone?????? There isn't anything better on this phone than my OOOOOLD 1520, I miss that phone, everything actually worked after YEeeeeeeeeears of having to put up with MS.
    I've submitted feedback to HP on this hoping for something. My 950xl and 950 unlocked phones did the same thing on AT&T, dropping to H+ H or 4G when on a phone call. They could not use the VoLTE/HD Voice features. I believe this is tied to the phone/imei of an unlocked device as opposed to a locked carrier sold device, but I am not totally sold on that reason. I am still working on my own and contacting AT&T for myself to see if this is just the way it is or if there is a way I can add the ability to use LTE-A/VoLTE/HD Voice, on my unlocked x3 on AT&T.
    11-06-2016 05:27 PM
  18. Bobby Bahmanpour's Avatar
    I talked to TMOBILE and as I said, there is only setting on the SIM card that is 4G and lower.

    I didn't have this issue on 1520 and it didn't use HD Voice, that's what one person mentioned as why it drops to H cause it's not HD. But the second tech I spoke with said that's a HARDWARE issue and software won't fix it. That's NOT what I was hoping to hear, why would a newer phone not be capable of LTE is beyond me, specially one that's designed for business.
    You'd want to use your internet while on the phone and this thing is a useless if you ask me.

    I really wonder why I put up with MS so much, you never see so many issues with other OS. I had to reinstall all the apps and some don't work right again or still no use of Microsoft Wallet when both Apple and Android are using that. What's the point of paying 900 for a phone that's like a $200 phone and it just sounds like it's capable and in reality it's NOT.
    The new phone does the turning off and on constantly again and it's just a pain to really deal with it.

    I am really waiting for an update to Apple or Android because to be honest being on MS is like a Trump supporter, I think they're crazy to follow what they know to be a flawed person, so I guess in this case I ignore all the short comings of Microsoft for no real reason other than I have been a MS person all along, maybe it's time for us to look around more and learn to stop following something when it's not really the best choice.
    11-06-2016 05:39 PM
  19. Nate W's Avatar
    I talked to TMOBILE and as I said, there is only setting on the SIM card that is 4G and lower.

    I didn't have this issue on 1520 and it didn't use HD Voice, that's what one person mentioned as why it drops to H cause it's not HD. But the second tech I spoke with said that's a HARDWARE issue and software won't fix it. That's NOT what I was hoping to hear, why would a newer phone not be capable of LTE is beyond me, specially one that's designed for business.
    You'd want to use your internet while on the phone and this thing is a useless if you ask me.
    That's not true. The x-3 is capable of LTE-A/LTE+. It's on the carrier backend. I've read a lot about it, but I'm not a tech in that area so couldn't explain the technicality of this issue.

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    11-06-2016 05:47 PM
  20. Nate W's Avatar
    I just got my x3 on Wednesday. I set it up out the box sim installed before I booted it, but AT&T still had an old imei from an old iPhone I used prior. I had them update that, but it still shows my last phone pic/model in my profile Lumia 830. So something is not right in my account anyway. I've yet to reset my phone to see if the imei update helps. I still want to consult AT&T again about a couple things. If I have to reset my phone later I will too, but right now it is not limiting me.

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    11-06-2016 05:57 PM
  21. PerfectReign's Avatar
    why would a newer phone not be capable of LTE is beyond me, specially one that's designed for business..
    Not sure what you mean. I just ran a speed test after reading your post. I'm pretty sure theae are LTE speeds.




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    11-06-2016 06:41 PM
  22. Nate W's Avatar
    HD voice is definitely a carrier built in feature...HD Voice on AT&T?

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    11-06-2016 06:52 PM
  23. Iain_S's Avatar
    LTE+ will give you slightly higher speeds then regular LTE, it is actually LTE Enhanced, I sometimes get it on Rogers in Canada but not that often.

    That's not true. The x-3 is capable of LTE-A/LTE+. It's on the carrier backend. I've read a lot about it, but I'm not a tech in that area so couldn't explain the technicality of this issue.

    Sent from mTalk
    LTE+ is LTE enhanced and is available in certain areas for me on Rogers in Canada, will give better speeds when connected.
    Last edited by xandros9; 01-02-2017 at 07:39 PM. Reason: merging two posts
    01-02-2017 05:19 PM
  24. jes1888's Avatar
    Hello here, new x3 owner with only 48 hours tinkering with it after a 950xl m on at&t. I just popped the sim out of the 950xl and put it here. Phone automatically detected LTE, I've seen sometimes Quick flashings of the LTE+ sometimes, but when I say flashing I mean like it appears and disappears quickly like more than 20 times in 10 seconds. Never seen lte+ in another phone so in this area. Thing is that I was concerned because on the H and H+ signs while on a call or some areas here when In my L950xl it showed 4G while in a call. I went to the at&t store, have the latest soon card model, settings the phone added automatically, they configured the apn with ones on their latest phones. And when doing a speed test thru the app in shows around the same speed that the ones showed in the above screenshot. However, when the at&t rep did a speed test on his phone the speed were the double, around 50mb's down and around 10 upload. It was a freaking iphone 6s or 7 so it was a recent phone. I left the store with a sour taste. Why does these phones don't get to those Speeds? Rep told me something about at&t phones being optimized for their networks but I call that bulls***t. Any thoughts? Someone with this phone on at&t has experienced this?
    01-22-2017 07:42 AM
  25. pjhenry1216's Avatar
    Hello here, new x3 owner with only 48 hours tinkering with it after a 950xl m on at&t. I just popped the sim out of the 950xl and put it here. Phone automatically detected LTE, I've seen sometimes Quick flashings of the LTE+ sometimes, but when I say flashing I mean like it appears and disappears quickly like more than 20 times in 10 seconds. Never seen lte+ in another phone so in this area. Thing is that I was concerned because on the H and H+ signs while on a call or some areas here when In my L950xl it showed 4G while in a call. I went to the at&t store, have the latest soon card model, settings the phone added automatically, they configured the apn with ones on their latest phones. And when doing a speed test thru the app in shows around the same speed that the ones showed in the above screenshot. However, when the at&t rep did a speed test on his phone the speed were the double, around 50mb's down and around 10 upload. It was a freaking iphone 6s or 7 so it was a recent phone. I left the store with a sour taste. Why does these phones don't get to those Speeds? Rep told me something about at&t phones being optimized for their networks but I call that bulls***t. Any thoughts? Someone with this phone on at&t has experienced this?
    I get this experience and I'm using T-mobile. Flashes LTE/LTE+ back and forth real quick sometimes, however i never get a solid LTE+. So, its not carrier specific since it happens on both. Maybe it happens to unlocked phones? Not sure. I might try contacting HP Support I guess?
    02-02-2017 08:14 AM
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