- 11-06-2012, 05:11 PM #77
11-06-2012, 05:46 PM #78
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11-06-2012, 05:54 PM #80
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my 2 cents:
As a former Apple fanboy, I'd love nothing more than to see WP8 explode and become a popular and vibrant mobile OS. I'm less than 2 months into using windows phone 7, so I have no alliances. I like my Nokia 900 just fine, but it's not a premier phone by any stretch. With that in mind, I completely root for ALL WP8 devices to succeed.
There are 2 primary choices right now: 920 and the 8X. Both have pros and cons, here's how I lay them out:
Pros - fantastic size/shape/design, beats audio, most of the tech bloggers seem to rave about it
Cons - expensive (although wouldn't surprise me if Verizon heavily discounts it to compete with ATT), no free wireless charging (that we know of), slightly smaller screen, camera nothing to write home about.
Pros - nighttime camera, better daytime camera potential pending software updates, slightly larger/brighter screen, HALF the cost, included wiress charging, Nokia apps included/optimized for the device, touchscreen usable with gloves
Cons - size and weight, very real risk that camera does NOT live up to it's potential even with future updates
Camera is huge for me. Love photography but no way in **** I'm lugging around my Nikon D700 kit and lenses or even a point and shoot for that matter, not on a daily basis. As they say, the best camera in the world is the one you have with you.
I think the potential of the Nokia camera is better than the HTC... IF software updates can sharpen things up and bring it up to par with the iPhone 5 I would be ecstatic. This possibility, combined with the lower cost, are probably pushing me to the Nokia.
11-06-2012, 06:06 PM #81
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11-06-2012, 06:24 PM #82
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Just read the GSMarena review.. very nice as usual.
I thought the 8X recorded sound in stereo since it has two mics, but I guess its the same as the 920.. mono, despite that both phones have the sufficient hardware to record in stereo. I guess its a Windows Phone 8 limitation..for now.
- 11-06-2012, 06:36 PM #83
How about this, should work:
Buy a 920 if it helps you get the max experience out WP8.
Buy the HTC 8X if it helps you get the max experience out of WP8.
Super simple really.
Oh man, I can only imagine what the 940 and 9X (or whatever they call them) vs Surface phone posts will be like next year!
HONESTLY YOU KNUCKLEHEADS, WP8 is about to punch iOS and Android in the face for the first time. Not a knockout blow by any stretch, but enough to leave a bruise they won't forget.
GET EXCITED ABOUT THAT!
Or, continue to drill into each other and make the wpcentral forums iSheep-Esque and dumb. Your call!
11-06-2012, 07:00 PM #84
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To me, both phones are great in their own right. If I could, I would be a pimp and buy both.
But I'm going for the 920 (seriously, that AT&T price will make a ton feel like a feather). People might think of wireless charging as a gimmick, but fact is that it works. My main reason for wanting this feature is to cut on wear and tear of the USB port. My original Focus and my wife's Focus S both had the USB port stop working. Couldn't sync anything to PC. So for me wireless charging is a real feature that I can't wait to have.
And the 920's camera if phenomenal. It's proven to be the best at low light shots and at taking video. Whatever issues there might be with day time shots can be corrected manually in settings (as Engadget said in their review) and Nokia already promised to fix that issue with an update. So I'm thrilled to have this camera.
Also, I work outside where it can get real cold in the winter. Being able to use with gloves is a welcome plus and the added weight is actually a positive when using gloves. You want to feel like the phone is there.
I also want to point out that this "bickering" amongst WP users is actually a positive sign for the success of WP. It means that WP is all grown up and now we can get phones to each of our likings based on what we think is best for each of us.
11-06-2012, 08:35 PM #86
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Has anyone seen photos from the 8x? It washes out colours horribly and sucks. I don't agree that the iphone 5 has a better camera. It over saturates colours. It also has an overly red hue especially in low light. The 920 in lowlight is slightly green and it sucks with pink in good lighting. If they fix their pink issue I'll be happy with it and I don't think anyone could claim it isn't the best hands down. Unless you like unrealistically colourful over saturated photos.
- 11-06-2012, 10:38 PM #91
Having read all this thread made think about many of the posts arguing about the best. Let me tell you something, the best for one guy doesn't mean it should be the best for another.
Let's try and keep the comparisons and arguments about features honest, not attempts at what we think it's best.
Everyone, choose the one you like the most, and stick with it. Let's compare the 8X and 920 but please, stop the nonsense.
BTW, I choose the 8X because of the size and ergonomics. The Lumia 920 is still a great phone and the end of the day, but wasn't for me I guess. Just my two cents.
- 11-07-2012, 03:15 AM #93
The phone you choose is the best!
For me... it'll probably be the 920. My reasons go behind Nokia being Nokia. It's about how HTC continues to disappoint and fail me. And I continue to give them a shot and time after time, HTC lets me down. The hardware has always looked good, but didn't perform well. Even when I was a tech, we had replacement parts after replacement parts for HTC devices. Camera, speakers, earpieces, LCD screen, etc.!
The Titan failed me. The EVO LTE failed me. The EVO 3D failed me.
On the other side... The screen will be a big plus in the winter. The camera as I party a lot and love taking pictures/videos when there isn't the best lighting. All the app exclusives.
11-07-2012, 05:26 AM #95
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I went with the 8X and I'm loving it so far.
I was dead set on getting a Lumia 920 ever since they were announced - and especially after hearing about all the awesome features (wireless charging, sensitive screen etc) that were seemingly only available on the 920. I couldn't wait to get a nice, stylish, hot red phone that would blow every other smartphone out of the water.
Then the launch came around. EE exclusive? Well I guess 4G would be unnecessary but nice. Oh, but it's a bit on the pricey side. Can't really afford it, but I'll make the stretch. Popped into my local EE stores and received excuses from staff that it was coming "tomorrow" (they used that excuse for almost a whole week.) Popped into Phones4U, where they tried to sell me a Galaxy S3 instead (lol) and I just happened to spy an 8X on display. My jaw dropped just a little, especially after having seen a plastic dummy 920. Very nice, I thought. Really looks stylish. I can see why the guys at Microsoft don't want it to feel left out compared to the flagship 920.
BUT...does it have all those cool features? No. I'll pass and wait for the 920. That blue looks hot though.
Fast forward a few days and I was doing some thinking. Am I really missing out by not getting a 920? Sure, I'll have to keep using fingerless gloves. Sure, I can't spend 15 minutes trying to educate iPhone users about camera specs which they won't understand, using boring technical terms, then take a photo which is marginally better than theirs although not much. Sure I won't get Words with Friends on release date. But I *could* get the WP8 ecosystem. I *could* get an equally stylish phone. I *could* get a phone with a reasonable price tag. I *could* get a phone which was actually released on its announced release date.
My main beef with the 8X (which persists to this day) is the aspect ratio. Sure, 16:9 is closer to that film-style aspect ratio we all know and love, but it looks a little too skinny. Maybe this is nearly 2 years of HD7 usage talking, but I really thought the WP7 aspect ratio was perfect; films had black borders, yes, but I use my phone for displaying other types of information *much* more often than I watch films. And the films will still not look perfect. (Trust me, as a cinema projectionist for the last 5 years, it's 1.85:1, 2.39:1 or nothing. :p)
I also simply don't like to see this kind of fragmentation, however minor. You can just tell that someone somewhere is going to be losing out when apps or games take better advantage of one ratio or another. It's a pointless difference.
Still slightly hung up on the 920, I went round the EE stores one more time. They'd magically changed their tune from "tomorrow, maybe even THIS AFTERNOON" to "within the next few weeks." One guy said, "yeah, it's actually out, but no stores have received any deliveries and we don't know when we will."
So I walked into my local o2 shop and said, "Hey, I'm due for an upgrade..."
11-07-2012, 05:51 AM #96
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The weight issue at the gym is really only a concern for when I am running on the treadmill. I usually wear shorts which are spacious enough that the phone can bounce around at higher speeds. So if I'm pacing below 10kmph it isn't an issue, but 12-15kmph speeds the phone bounces around a lot. With a heavier device this isn't very comfortable at all. With a 920 I expect that it could be an issue even at 10kmph, although that is mostly speculation on my part at this time.
I don't like leaving my phone external on the machines. You never know what can happen if you stumble or such (never happened to me but I've seen it, and I've been injury prone the last 6 months so it could happen). The cupholders in my gym are also holed at the bottom so the phone would probably slip through.
So my first point is one of personal comfort and convenience. It's largely subjective and something that applies on a person by person basis. My experience won't be everyones.
The amp however is an objective advantage I believe the 8X has over the Lumia 920. You're very correct in saying that the effective range of most modern smartphone audio chips are good enough for most headphones. Amps however are not about range. To quote someone from Head-fi:
"An amp doesn't amplify the sound waves. It provides current and voltage to the driver.
A headphone driver has a voicecoil attached to a cone. (I'll just go into dynamic drivers here.) The voicecoil is a coil of thin copper wire. There's also a magnet behind the voicecoil. When you pass the signal through the voicecoil, you have to have sufficient power for the voicecoil to move the cone back and forth against the magnet.
If you don't have enough power, the cone's movement is weak or sloppy. Think about trying to go up a big hill on a bicycle compared to going up the hill on a car. The more power you have, the faster you can get to the top."
It doesn't relate to the volume that you listen to either. Amps can still help increase audio clarity for headphones at any volume range. Using amps doesn't directly increase your chances of tinnitus. Listening at high volume on bad headphones for too long, will.
More on headphone impedence: Headphone Impedance - Head-Fi.org Community
Anyway, I appreciate your response. Hopefully I've been able to clarify my reasoning. :)
- 11-07-2012, 10:10 AM #98
If you want to see Windows Phone thrive, you'd better hope Nokia sticks around, even if you don't like their phones.
11-07-2012, 10:53 AM #99
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It just arrived about an hour ago. Charging it now. Though now I have an unbearable wait until Friday. I'm on a business trip until tomorrow evening, and so I have to wait before moving the sim and updating my live email to an outlook email...
I definitely see what people were saying though. It feels fantastic! :happy:
- 11-07-2012, 12:13 PM #100
Nokia is also the only OEM trying to innovate with hardware. For the most part, the 8X and the Ativ S are - as expected - rehashes of the hardware they launched in their Android flagships six months ago. In terms of "differentiated apps" we appear to have an HTC Clock/Weather hub and Call blocking on the Ativ S.
If Nokia fails, and the two major manufacturers are just churning out 6-month old Android rebrands with no major customization, this platform is finished.
I look forward to Microsoft and a Surface phone, but I doubt they'll make huge inroads with wide availability across US carriers.