11-10-2012, 06:37 PM #27
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Anyone calling the HTC 8x a "flagship" is misusing the title. The 8x is a very good phone that will be perfect for many users, plus it has a style that uniquely suits Windows Phone.
That being said, does anyone thing HTC is done for this round. No doubt HTC will be coming out with a more feature packed phone in the next few months. That is something we can all be happy about.
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11-10-2012, 07:57 PM #28
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8X is good but not flagship good. If this is the best, the cream of the crop and top of the line product for HTC then they should be ashamed (16GB is really too small).
It is a common marketing strategy (or could be technical) to release a less featured "good enough" product to make way for a more featured or better product later. The way Apple always does. People line up to buy ipad mini now, and then they stupidly line up again to buy ipad mini with retina display later on. Apple wins. More sales.
I truly believe HTC is working on a higher end product, in line with their OneX+.
- 11-11-2012, 06:57 AM #29
You're right, you will get flamed for this, but it is not undeserving.
I don't understand what you mean by saying it's not a flagship phone. At the current moment, at this release it is the flagship phone, along with the 920. It's silly to think that just because it doesn't have what you desire in a smartphone that it can't be a flagship device. Honestly, very few people want a 5" screen on their device, one of the biggest reasons that I believe that iPhones sell more than any other device on the market. Bigger is not always better, 4 cores doesn't help anything, either. If you'd do your homework you'd realize that only apps programmed to work with 4 cores can make any use out of them, otherwise you just end up using more power for nothing. The difference between a 2 core cpu on a phone and a 4 core cpu is so negligible it isn't even recognizable by humans, we're talking nanoseconds of difference.
So sure there might be a "better" phone coming in 2013, but I'd like to remark that that phone likely won't see the light of day until at least summer. If you keep comparing phones to phones that do not exist on the market today people will begin to think of your arguments as though you were arguing, "the iPhone 5 isn't a flagship phone because there is another one coming out next year that will have a better processor and more cores and maybe a bigger screen!" when the fact of the matter is, more phones will come out every year and last year's flagship will get trumped every year so... thanks for the vapid argument :)
11-11-2012, 11:43 AM #30
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We are not talking about a next generation phone, as with an iPhone 6 or a Galaxy S4. HTC was rumored to be working on three WP8 phones, but has only introduced the mid and low end models. The high end phone is apparently delayed.
What we are expecting to see is something comparable to the Titan 2 and the One X with 32GB and/or MicroSD and a 4.6 in screen. We expect it by early next year and that it won't replace a current model.
I consider the Lumia 920 and the Ativ S models to be flagships for their respective manufacturers. HTC still has theirs under wraps. Buyers who like that kind of phone may want to wait.
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11-11-2012, 01:57 PM #31
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Excuse me: 8X has a gyro. I have a level app and it works. As to the display... it is absolutely stunning in detail and colors. There is a 32Gb version also, but it is either not available yet or only in some markets. HTC has designed a fine phone and it is ergonomic... Well thought out. Good grip, does not slide in your hand, power button on top avoids accidental ons. We can argue that the Lumia 920 has some great features, but it lacks where the 8X shines.
- 11-11-2012, 03:52 PM #32
On the scale of WP8 devices, the 8X is a flagship phone. It's got mostly equivalent specs to the top of the line phone on this platform. I say, as of right now, HD resolution, 16-32 GB and 1 GB of RAM, good camera and other extras is about as flagship as it gets for us.
There are no quad core WP8 phones yet and even if there were, we have a library of apps written mostly for single core phones, so a quad core would do little for performance if anything.
5" phone screens are just ridiculous, so to make that the standard is asinine. Resolution is what matters. You can have all the 4.8-5" 1280x720 screens you want. I'll stick with my 4.5" 1280x768 screen, thanks. Until they make a significantly higher res 4.8"-5" screen all you're getting is more glass and bigger pixels and phones that are getting increasingly uncomfortable to carry in the pocket of your favorite shorts.
- 11-11-2012, 06:33 PM #34
The reason it is stated that the HTC has no gyro is because:
-HTC's specs for the device indicates a lack of a gyro
-Windows Phone diagnostics run on the HTC 8X indicate a lack of a gyro
-Therefore, these two things combined logically dictate a lack of gyro.
Regarding the 32GB version, I do not believe that exists. According to the HTC specs I have seen, the HTC 8X is actually 8gb or 16gb. I have no heard of a 32gb variant - that territory belongs to the HTC Zenith.
That being said, if they released a 32gb-64gb version or simply put a MicroSD slot in the current version that would be what the device sorely needs for flagship status.
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- 11-11-2012, 06:35 PM #36
- 11-11-2012, 07:23 PM #37
- 11-11-2012, 07:39 PM #39
If you believe there is going to be a better HTC WP8 Device then your probably right but to say that they will bring it out early next year, Well I think you might be disappointed.
Why would Microsoft bring out a update for WP to support a Quad-Core device straight after they have only just optimised it to use Dual-Core? I think you will be waiting until WP9.
And if your idea of a flagship is having a bigger but less usable screen and a processor which will not give any noticeable performance and infact might drain the battery quicker then I would rather stick with my Non Flagship 8X.
By the way HTC Flagship phones have a X in them like the One X and One X +.
Your pretty much basing your whole "theory" around the fact that the 8X only has 16GB well the New Nexus 4 only has 16GB and the best selling iPhone is the 16GB model.
- 11-11-2012, 10:02 PM #40Why would Microsoft bring out a update for WP to support a Quad-Core device straight after they have only just optimised it to use Dual-Core? I think you will be waiting until WP9.And if your idea of a flagship is having a bigger but less usable screen and a processor which will not give any noticeable performance and infact might drain the battery quicker then I would rather stick with my Non Flagship 8X.By the way HTC Flagship phones have a X in them like the One X and One X +.Your pretty much basing your whole "theory" around the fact that the 8X only has 16GB well the New Nexus 4 only has 16GB and the best selling iPhone is the 16GB model.
How do I know this? I have owned a 16GB HTC Trophy with Windows Phone 7 for 2 years. Just with my WP7 apps alone, I am approaching the max space constraints. How could I possibly believe that with WP8's increased power and new round of apps that I will not grossly go over the 16gb I have nearly filled in the next 2 years? It makes no sense.
So yes, the 16GB on this phone is a big deal-killer for me on this phone on many others. It may be enough for TODAY, but looking ahead a year from now you may be wishing you waited for a 32gb+ model or one with a microsd slot. This is why I cannot envision this phone as a flagship, the storage space will cripple it over time as apps get larger and you get more of them.
I am not trying to talk trash about this phone, but I do think we got a midrange model that was tweaked and propped up as a high end model. It is missing some of the signature high end features that even the WP7 phones of 2012 had (nevermind WP8) and does not have the storage space capabilities of a high end device.
This phone may do most people wonders, and it has been my primary recommendation to those who need a phone now. But if you are into getting a lot of games/apps and maybe want to throw some media on too this phone simply is not going to cut it for the next 2 years. If you buy phones off contract frequently and don't mind selling this when the space becomes problematic or if you are a casual user, then that is a different story.
If they took this same phone, upped the screen size to 4.5"-4.8", added a microsd slot and a gyro, I would buy it instantly even for $299. Hopefully we'll get more news out of HTC soon about their flagship "Zenith" model and its release date.
- 11-11-2012, 10:10 PM #42
So if you liked the width of WP7 4.3" devices, you need to get at least a 4.5" 16:9 device.
Note the Lumia 920 is the same aspect as the old WP7 phones so it is just as wide.
- 11-12-2012, 11:13 AM #43
Actually, if you look at the world instead of just the U.S. the real low-end would be the Symbian Series 40 phones (Nokia Asha) and the low end Android devices like the Samsung Galaxy Ace etc.
- 11-12-2012, 11:18 AM #44
FFC I have no idea. I don't use that feature. You may be right there.
4.3" I'm with you on that. I prefer a smaller phone. That said, I'm surprised to say I don't mind the 4.5" and the 1280x768 is very nice when surfing webpages.
11-12-2012, 04:02 PM #46
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Whether or not it's a "flagship" is totally a matter of semantics and it's pretty much meaningless to argue about it. HTC says it's their flagship, it's their flagship. End of story. Refusing to allow it the label because it doesn't hit a few checkboxes on your personal list accomplishes nothing and helps no one.
Frankly, the design is incredible. I checked one out at the AT&T store before I bought my girlfriend's 920, and it just felt great in hand. The size, shape, and the material were just perfect. Loved the color. Screen looked gorgeous. I still went with the Lumia 920 due to double the internal memory, wireless charging, super-sensitive screen, Nokia Drive, and no "Beats Audio" nonsense. Girlfriend went with the Lumia due to the increased memory and for Nokia Music (she's a big music streamer).
If HTC doesn't give up and iterates with some things to challenge the Lumia, I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up for my next phone.