- 11-20-2012, 03:18 PM #26
I made the switch the day I started at Microsoft when I got early access to it.
Back then, I was using Android and found it to be quite easy to take out GMail and use Outlook.com mail exclusively.
Now that I am on WP8, I an even more happy that I made the switch. Microsoft has done things in such a way that they would PREFER you to use outlook.com, but, they don't take anything away if you don't.
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- 11-20-2012, 03:50 PM #28
Remember that, in general, Google will ensure that any service it offers "breaks" on Microsoft software and hardware, as an effort to try and bring people (and their valuable personal data) into the Google ecosystem to be resold to advertisers.
Gmail will never be completely usable on Microsoft platforms.
11-20-2012, 08:00 PM #29
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I am using hotmail connector, but all it is doing is displaying my live.com calendar with my outlook calendar. I am wanting to have my outlook calendar update my live.com calendar. Currently, I am able to copy the appointments to my live.com calendar, but would rather not have to manually copy and manually sent/recieve to live.com.
I am looking at a product called companionlink that looks like it can do this, but I was hoping Microsoft would offer this functionality.
- 11-20-2012, 08:08 PM #30
11-20-2012, 10:05 PM #32
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Within outlook in your calendar tab, you should see multiple calendars now that you have them linked to your outlook.com account. It should look something like:
Calendar (This is the calendar for your desktop outlook that you have been using)
Fred's Calendar (this is the calendar from outlook.com/hotmail.com/live.com)
You need to copy all of your information from the native outlook calendar (labeled "Calendar"), to the one designated for your .com calendar (Fred's Calendar). This can easily be done from within the desktop outlook client by clicking on calendar and then going to the "view" tab in the ribbon at the top of the screen. From there, select "change view", and then choose "list". Copy all of your appointments from the "Calendar" just like you would an excel spreadsheet and then paste them in "Your name Calendar", which should also be in the "list" view setting. Once that is done, you can change your view setting back to "calendar"
Then, from now on, un-check the box for the native desktop outlook (calendar) and check the one for the hotmail/live/outlook.com calendar (Fred's Calendar), and you are good to go. The old calendar will stay there, it will just be hidden from view. After that, just treat Fred's Calendar the same way you did your other calendar within outlook. Add all future new appointments to that calendar.
If you ever switch, just do the reverse and you will have all of your appointments back in the native desktop client calendar and can go from there.
This process should take less than 5 minutes and you will be good to go.
NOTE: It may take a couple of hours for all of your appointments to be synced between your desktop outlook, your live.com calendar, and your Windows Phone, particularly if you have many of them. Don't panic and don't think that something went wrong when appointments start showing up in your phone sporadically. Give it several hours to overnight to sync. I freaked out when I did this and thought it didn't work which caused me to have to go through the process again. Then the same thing happened and I just left it alone overnight and in the morning, everything was synced perfectly.
After that, it become a process of minutes when adding or deleting one or two appointments. Since my initial set up where I was trying to sync several years worth of appointments, I have had no problem at all and things sync very quickly.
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- 11-20-2012, 10:16 PM #33
Google, however, have (kind of) admittedly tweaked their IMAP2 protocols to "add enhanced mail and calendar" experience for Android and their other services. Due to these tweaks, issues come up when using applications that are developed to compliancy to the published standards. This is why other Android Mail apps tend to have issues when using IMAP and Google Mail services.
You can't blame this one on Microsoft. They work to the standards and Google lets everyone blame the Windows Phone platform without saying a thing to bring people back to Android.
Here is one of many SOURCES.
This appears to be tied to Google’s non-standard implementation of IMAP2 and may depend on which method you use to set up Gmail. In other words, seeing as this problem just popped up, Google may have altered something on their backend in the last 48 hours resulting in these stability issues.
On Windows Phone 8 when you set up a Google Mail account you are offered two options: ‘Email only’ or ‘Email, contacts and calendar’. That latter option is the push-IMAP2 version while ‘Email only’ is POP and will give you just 15-minute sync periods.
Although we have not yet verified we’re going to bet that the issue is due to Google’s ever-changing IMAP2 settings, which are having a severely negative impact on Windows Phone. Because of that we recommend users perhaps forgo the ‘Email, contacts and calendar’ option and just use ‘Email only’ as POP tends to be more stable.
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- 11-21-2012, 03:30 AM #34
At a previous employer, they switched to Google Docs for Business (including e-mail and calendar) because Google promised "100% compatible Microsoft Exchange services."
They NEVER delivered. Mail and calendar was a DISASTER. Using their "exchange compatible solution" with Outlook required bridging software (no joke) and didn't work at all on Macs. Phantom invitations, disappearing appointments, and the inability to accept an invitation from Windows Phones and iPhones was the norm. The ability to create an invitation from a mobile device vanished altogether outside of Android, and one could never be certain if his acceptance was received by the inviter or not. Worse, changes to appointments often never reached the user.
People who sent invitations from Outlook would end up sending empty e-mails with no details or ability to respond to anyone using "Exchange services" on their mobile devices (or anyone not using Outlook).
Those of us who rely on their calendars and mobile devices to stay connected and organized were completely screwed. It got so bad that entire parts of the company were simply unable to function at anything more than half speed.
When tech support inquiries came in complaining about all the lost functionality, Google responded with a "it should work" style message. Later, they recommended to our IT guy that we just switch everyone on Windows Outlook to the web and ban Windows Phones from our enterprise and mandate Android or iOS. Needless to say, this recommendation went very poorly... but alas, by that time the "migration" had been completed and the entire company wasn't about to go through another painful migration.
EVERYONE hated it -- even a lot of the Google fans. One of my recommendations in my exit interview prior to taking my new job was to fire Google and go back to a proper Exchange system due to all the stress and lost productivity it caused.
Google's mantra to "don't be evil" is more a rhetorical flourish than a belief or way of doing business.
- 11-26-2012, 09:15 AM #37
I ditched Gmail for Outlook. I always thought that Gmail looked terrible despite its features. I only used it because Hotmail had become too slow and cumbersome with ads and whatnot. With Outlook, Microsoft has gone for a clean look which I love. All features likes Sweep etc have been carried over from Hotmail to Outlook so the transition was smooth. Now I only use Gmail for work and keep the Outlook ID for everything else.
- 12-01-2012, 11:00 PM #38
firstname.lastname@example.org and everythging that I put in the calendar shows up on the phone. tasks do not work in the same way.Your smartphone is only as smart as YOU let it be!
- 12-05-2012, 03:58 PM #42
Gmail is still my primary account for personal email, contacts, calendar and Google Voice. I'm a BlackBerry user and Gmail works seamless with my BB. I do like Outlook and plan on using it more but the way it handles junk/spam is terrible. I have it on my PlayBook and I get way too much junk/spam. Gmail does a much better job.
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- 12-07-2012, 07:24 PM #43
I used Gmail since the Beta Invite days, so I had lots of accounts, etc, set up with it. I've also had a hotmail addy for quite some time but really never used it. The day outlook.com launched, I set up an identical outlook.com address as my gmail and I'm slowly moving everything over to it. The less free info I give to google the better.
I do like how the outlook.com integrates with Outlook on my laptop.
- 12-07-2012, 09:42 PM #44
As for GMail, most of my kids friends LOVE it. I am glad WP synches well to it, because MS is in an uphill fight to get people off of other emails to give Outlook a shot. Most of my Upper-thirties to mid-forties friends all use Yahoo still. I am the only one in my circle who is a Hotmail/Outlook user.Thesaurus: (noun)- An ancient reptile with an excellent vocabulary.
12-08-2012, 02:10 PM #50
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Two things I would love to see in Outlook, now that I'm using it all the time:
1) Aliases should be able to used from more than just outlook.com. Using the mail app on Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8 I am not able to send from my aliases, even if replying to an email that was sent to one. Apparently now they have the ability to specify an alias that you can use as the default for all devices, including mobile... but then I can't reply using my primary.
2) Allow more than one criteria in the "rules" (filters)! My dad forwards chain mail jokes and such to me all the time, and I have a filter set up to catch anything that says FWD: in the title (and another filter to catch FW:) and place it in a folder for later perusing, so I can avoid stuff like that for months at a time. Since I can only specify that ONE thing, any email I forward to myself or someone else forwards to me ALSO ends up in that folder (this includes forwarding of flight itineraries and such), so I have to manually search it myself from time to time. On my Windows Phone, I don't see any messages that go into this folder at all... and I refuse to choose to sync that folder because then I'll start getting alerts for messages in that folder! No thank you. So I'm forced to manually check this folder at outlook.com every so often.
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