- 12-26-2012, 10:42 AM #101
- 12-26-2012, 10:52 AM #102
Back in the day, Internet Explorer owned the browser. Microsoft told web developers to code for IE or their sites wouldn't work for 95% of Internet users. They had the market share, they had the users and they fought every challenge to their dominance until they thought they couldn't lose.
Now, Microsoft wants market share and users that someone else has. They want people like me to abandon what I have in favor of the same exact product that they offered when I had my Dell Axiom back in the day.
That's not good enough any more. Needs change. People change. I used to have to have over 1,200 contacts because that was the only way that it could be done. Now I have the same contacts, but consolidated down to just under 400.
Times change. People change. Products and services improve. Microsoft can improve, or Microsoft will continue to struggle for every inch of market share that they can gain.
- 12-26-2012, 02:52 PM #104
Aside from that, you're insinuating that Microsoft's history is as pure as the driven snow. We both know that is as far from the truth as you can get.
Two wrongs don't make a right and Microsoft's past doesn't justify Google's behavior today.
- 12-27-2012, 01:17 AM #109
Everyone knows what "Don't be evil" means. It means "feed our silly fanboys a line about how wonderful we are, while we read all their e-mails and track their movements with Google Now in an operation that would make the Stasi blush with shame, selling that deeply private data to advertisers, all while convincing said fanboys that we give them free services because we're just so nice and cool and stuff." :)
- 12-27-2012, 01:19 AM #110
Oops, and I almost forgot the other half:
"Whenever we're caught red-handed doing outrageous privacy violations that should probably be illegal, point to our motto as proof that our motives are pure, even though we've been caught flagrantly violating user rights."
- 12-27-2012, 10:42 AM #113
I'm gonna leave you guys to your hatred. Google, me or whatever else you find so distasteful.
Its been fun, but arguing on the Internet is stupid, and I used to know better than to wade into a fanboy ******* match.
- 12-27-2012, 01:01 PM #115
Not fun when arguments go bad I'm no fanboy but I don't like what Google are doing they forgotten where they came from
What we can do is us other sites that demonstrate what we think but what impact will it have (in short nothing)
BTW there is no company out there that is totally clean including MS .
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- 12-27-2012, 02:55 PM #116
In other words, you're really, really mad that we haven't drunk the Google Kool Aid.
Before you go, you might want to make sure your WiFi is properly locked down, especially if you live in a major metro area. That awesome, totally non-evil Google has been hacking into people's home networks and downloading the contents:
Google Engineer Knew About Street View WiFi Data Scoop: FCC Report
I guess that deliberately hacking into private networks, scraping e-mail and password data, archiving it, and then reselling it isn't "evil."
Yeah, this is a company to trust with all of your most personal information. I mean, just look at their motto, d00d!
- 12-27-2012, 05:10 PM #119
Take this paragraph from your posts: two factual inaccuracies that I'm sure you'll be happy to use again and again.
1. Google didn't hack into anyone's network. If your WiFi network is open, you're blasting your data as far as your signal will carry. No hacking required.
2. Provide one credible bit of evidence that Google resold the data. Don't come back with "they used it to target ads", because that's not selling the data.
- 12-27-2012, 05:13 PM #120
Someone should have gone to prison for this, and Google should have been fined BIG TIME. They weren't.
But such activity is unquestionably "evil," regardless of a cute tagline.
Oh, there I go again, unfairly bashing Google. We should all be happy they're doing us the public service of hacking into our home networks and archiving data for us. It's pre-emptive backup!
- 12-27-2012, 05:16 PM #121
Your argument is akin to stating that Google should have the right to go into my apartment and rifle through my belongings, because I left my door unlocked. Sure, leaving the door unlocked is stupid, but Google's still a criminal trespasser.
Provide one credible bit of evidence that Google resold the data. Don't come back with "they used it to target ads", because that's not selling the data.
And seriously, if Google was executing puppies, you'd be saying "it's not execution, it's puppy-reduction." If you're okay with Google's lack of ethics and need to know EVERYTHING about you, that's great. Many of us want to see their criminal activity halted and their privacy invasion curtailed.
- 12-27-2012, 05:38 PM #122
Now, this time I'm being serious. I'm done with this. Carry on with your rage, it's funny to think that you're this worked up about all of this stuff.
- 12-27-2012, 10:39 PM #124
Actually, yes, if you access a private network system without the network owner's permission, you hacked in.
Just like if you entered a neighbor's house through an open window, you broke in, even though you didn't "break the lock."
The ethical implications of illicitly collecting private data via improperly-secured WiFi is obvious, and it disappoints me that people are attempting to defend such patently unethical activity.
- 12-28-2012, 01:21 AM #125
Screw it, I guess I just have to stay in this conversation.
Again, not a hack.
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