- 01-31-2013, 08:16 PM #51
Okay.... BEFORE we start losing our ever-living mobile minds, shouldn't we:
1) See how BB10 sells and performs in real life?
2) See how Windows 8 and WP 8 improve in the coming months?Thesaurus: (noun)- An ancient reptile with an excellent vocabulary.
- 02-01-2013, 03:19 AM #54
windows has something to learn from #BB
1. when windows phone8 was released it was just a incremental innovation on the part of MS(re-size live tiles, xbox music, more app support ) but if we see BB there **** lot of improvements in BB10 to be specific the new way of typing, BB hub and these are radical innovations.
2. what made windows phone a W.O.W. OS is the superb Hardware support, Nokia has made a lot of breakthroughs in mobile OS like Wcharging, OIstabilization so windows has to learn new way of doing things from Nokia.
- 02-01-2013, 08:36 AM #56
I have been watching the black berry launch. What Microsoft need to learn is apps and games.... Why ?
BB made a dev tool that can take an android app and in most cases with out a single line of code change can convert it over to a BB10 app. Yes, you can download a Android app (from your fav warez site) and run it through this converter and sideload it into your blackberry 10 device with NO CHANGES in code and it will run fine in most cases. Some cases where it needs changes just where the keyboard pops up and any other hardware access but, most of you know, anything that just uses just the touch screen (games and most apps) would just convert with No changes in code.
Microsoft needs to create a tool that will take a iOS or Android app in it's finished form and convert it over to WP7/8 with almost no changes and maybe we can keep up. Also BB app cert is costs are very low, a lot lower than Microsoft, so BB does not make that much money right now and that leads Devs to say, What the **** ? Low cost, possable sales and no conversion time or costs ?
The biggest problem reviewers complaned a lot about is the selections of Apps on Windows Phone and it's still hit with that. If there was a lower level of converstion and lower cost to get started (or Microsoft's cut on sales) BB has a big hands up here and could be a case for worry for most Windows Phone users.
That app that is on Android that you have been watiing for...will be aviable for BB but, not Windows phone...because of this.
BB is starting with 70,000 apps and over 40% of them are conversions from Android apps....Dont you think that is sort of cheating ?XV6700(Apache)>XV6800->HTC Touch Pro 2(XV6875) ->HTC Trophy ->VZW HTC 8X ->Nokia Lumia 928 -> Nokia Lumia ICON (929)
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02-01-2013, 08:40 AM #57
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Microsoft needs to make some strong changes on WP8, add some basics functions that all the other platforms had, including the dead Symbiam, improve the best functions on WP8 and make something new, to make the costumers want his phone... Because the new Windows phone 8 is becoming old, against all the other TOP 3 OSs ... Microsoft, C'mon ... Let us happy, not worried with your product, our OS.
- 02-01-2013, 08:48 AM #58
It's a shame really.
BB10 is launching In my country next week Wednesday... We're a third world country. A speck on the map in the Caribbean. Lumia 920 is no where to be seen. (except mine of course)
But BlackBerry is the most popular brand here. I Guess carrier is doing what they can to make the fastest money.
02-01-2013, 09:08 AM #59
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Look at them now. Top of the food chain with the xbox 360. If microsoft needs to learn anything from blackberry its dont lose your user base from a massive network outage and dont put all your eggs in one basket as a company just making phones.
- 02-01-2013, 09:40 AM #60
How does Microsoft not back their products?
- Paid Nokia $250 million to adopt Windows Phone
- Continues to pay manufacturers to adopt the OS and pays per device sold
- First-gen devices received the 7.8 update (my LG Optimus 7 even got it)
- Multiple celebrities hired to promote Microsoft products
I think it's safe to say that Microsoft is the company here that has put the most effort into their product.
2+ years in 3rd/4th place and now gaining proper traction, as iOS and Android users start getting bored of the same interface over and over again, they are going to move to Windows Phone and not Blackberry. Heck, even Nokia is reporting profits.
- 02-03-2013, 02:21 AM #63
This is not something that we are dreaming up. Microsoft themselves stated that a notification centre is on the cards and simply did not make the deadline.
- 02-03-2013, 09:00 AM #65
02-03-2013, 09:30 AM #66
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Nokia had debt free cash of 8 billion euros (that's something above 11 billion dollars?) when they developed Qt for mobile (that BB10 uses) and much of the UI elements you see in BB10 are from Nokia's Swipe UI.
The get OS on the ground these days needs a lot more, something that even Nokia at its way bigger size was not able to do. The app situation reminds me of Nokia's MeeGo so much. 90% of are non usable Android "ports" and rest is mostly hobbyist apps.
- 02-03-2013, 07:51 PM #67
It's a good thing you aren't running Microsoft.
- 02-03-2013, 07:57 PM #68
- 02-04-2013, 12:46 PM #71“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”- Plato
- 02-06-2013, 01:06 PM #72
Lessons to be learned from Blackberry:
1. Don't develop any newer technology for 2+ years so that your 1 year late launch of 8 month old hardware looks impressive.
2. Keep you loyal customers way behind competitive options so they will all line up day one for your 1 year late phone and create impressive demand.
3. Forget why those people stuck with BB to begin with and don't include many of the core features your old operating system had.
Those are the lessons that I got from Blackberry this past week and as a BB user since 2005 I will be getting an Ativ S this week.
People complain about WP7 not being upgradable but BB was the king of not upgradable. I had OS4.5 devices that would not take OS 5, OS5 that would not take 6, and my OS6 9800 could not be upgraded to os7 wich came out 3 months after I got my phone. At least windows came out with 7.8 which will give WP7 users a lot of the features of WP8.
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02-06-2013, 03:08 PM #74
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One thing BlackBerry learned from other manufacturers is to understock devices to make it appear as if it has sold out.
He's also been telling me how BB10 is smooth but many of the feature are counter-intuitive and the OS frequently locks up on him. The screen quality and battery life also is pretty bad according to him compared to his GS3.
- 02-27-2013, 04:07 PM #75
I saw the the same thing my with brother ! Be bought a Curve 8900 (Software wasn't upgradable to the next version) & then a Torch 9800 (Same thing) & then a Bold (9900) & now a Z10
every phone he bought wasn't upgradable to the next OS !
You Forgot about NoDo , Mango & Tango !
People complain Microsoft is not pushing updates to Windows Phone & yet Microsoft released 3 major updates to Windows Phone 7 , Not to mention the 7.8 update thingy !
No body does that , Google usually stops supporting a device after a couple of big updates ! Apple might go for the 3 major ones ! but thats it
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