- 02-25-2013, 04:54 AM #26
platform compatibility page devoted specifically to this issue, on which is stated:
"In general, the Windows Phone app platform enables apps that target Windows Phone OS 7.1 to run without modification or recompilation on Windows Phone 8."
That means one app. No parallel development.
here. It basically comes down to WP UI rendering being pixel agnostic. Actually, every single WP7 app should already have been capable of taking full advantage of your 8x's resolution without any black bars. Many app developers just didn't get it right the first time. Some still don't get it.
- 02-25-2013, 05:04 AM #27
Edit: As a note, there are also two apps of WeekView. One for WP7 and one for WP8 supporting the new features.
- 02-25-2013, 05:50 AM #28
I have a solution for Intel and ARM Architecture split.
ARM -> .xap (works on both x86 and ARM)
Intel -> .xapx (works on x86 only; easier ports from desktop)
.xapx will target power users, .xap will target broad audience.
- 02-25-2013, 07:07 AM #29
So, we've kind of drifted off topic here. We are discussing differences in hardware (display resolution), and these problems would have occurred even if WP7 devices had been updated to WP8. That is the original point I was trying to make.
- 02-25-2013, 08:52 AM #30
- 02-25-2013, 10:24 AM #33
Perception is just as important as reality, perception can become reality. MS is failing miserably in perception, my Android phone has had two updates ICS & JB. People don't care why they don't get an update, just that they don't get it.
02-25-2013, 11:18 AM #35
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Unfortunately MS isn't great at handling PR the way Apple (*$&% you, you're using it wrong) or Google (&*$% you, we're smarter than you and know where you live) does. They're also later to the game than iOS and Android were, so now that people are coming from and used to more mature OS, they have less patience for early adopter issues.
- 02-25-2013, 11:28 AM #36
Considering how WP8 just came out its gonna be awhile for an update to 9. And I mean a couple years. If they do come with one im certain WP or at least high end WP8 devices will get the update.
Just remember. Updates are no longer just sent out through the network provider, but through the market place.
Rumor is that we could be getting blue through the market. I don't know about that.
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- 02-25-2013, 01:36 PM #40
Microsoft promised 18 months (at least) for new WP8 devices. Take that for what you will (Let us not forget we were also supposed to be able to bypass carriers for updates and other things that never came true) but that was the official line from MS on the topic. Whether or not that means we will get Blue I think it means we do but again we won't know for sure until it happens.
- 02-25-2013, 02:20 PM #41
MS' statement leaves two ways for WP8 not to get updated to WP9, without MS breaking any promises. WP9 might release only after 18 months have passed (Q2 2014), or alternatively, WP9 could release tomorrow, while WP8 continues to receive updates for the promised duration. The later is exactly how MS has dealt with WP7.x, BTW.
As always, I'm just using WP9 as a generic name for that update which WP8 devices no longer receive. Whatever it ends up being called is irrelevant in this context.
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- 02-25-2013, 03:51 PM #45
It was a reference to us being able to force all the updates over the 18 months if we were in the 'enthusiast program' they gave a passing reference about at their event and then it was never heard of ever again. :D
- 02-25-2013, 04:08 PM #46
What I was saying is that MS can simultaneously release WP9 at any time and not provide that to WP8 devices, meaning WP8 would not get EVERY update. Important is only that MS continues to provide updates to WP8 for the promised duration. MS wouldn't be breaking any promises with that approach.
02-25-2013, 04:54 PM #47
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Windows Phone 8 is ARMv7 technology and will continue to use next generation Snapdragon 600/800 series SOC processor's.
Next generation Windows Phone 9 will be 64-bit! Now they could go with ARMv8 or Intel 64? If they go with ARMv8 technology like the upcoming "Nvidia Tegra 5" SOC processor, Then have full backwards compatibility with ARMv7 WP8 software platform. But if they go with Intel 64 (x86-64) technology they could go with upcoming "Intel Atom Bay Trail" SOC processor but then would lose all backwards compatibility with ARMv7 WP8 software platform!
So what's Microsoft going to use for next generation WP9?
- ARMv8 ? (RISC)
- Intel 64 ? (CISC)
Windows Phone 9 time frame should be around Q4 2014? 😎
- 02-25-2013, 05:23 PM #48
The x86 / ARMv7 incompatibilities aren't the problem you think they are. Microsoft has already solved this for W8RT. The same app runs on both CPU architectures. That will work for WP8 apps too.
I hope Microsoft doesn't go for any of the platforms you mentioned. I would prefer WP9 to run on the 14nm successor of Intel's Merrifield SoC. That would also be out much sooner than Q4 2014.
02-25-2013, 06:04 PM #49
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ARMv7 is 32-bit only! Next generation ARMv8 is 64-bit and Microsoft would have to make Windows RT64 to use ARMv8 software! Good thing is that ARMv8 is backwards compatible with ARMv7.
14nm Airmont SOC Intel Atom won't be ready in 2014! But Intel will have 22nm Silvermont SOC "Bay Trail" Intel Atom.
The future is 64-bit! SOC, ultra low power, Quad-Core/Octa-Core processor's with Direct-X 11.1/OpenGL 4.3 graphics, Cad 5 LTE, Wi-Fi a/c built in! 😎
- 02-25-2013, 07:13 PM #50
What you are referring to, is that ability of the OS itself to run on different CPU architectures. However, that too is solved, thanks to the shared and portable Windows kernel that's been discussed in the media this last while. The whole point of a kernel is to abstract away the differences in CPU architectures, so the software layers above it can ignore those differences. As it turns out, W8RT is just a subset of W8. That subset is already installed as part of every single W8 installation, so technically, we already have W8RT running on x86.
Just as Merrifield is part of the Silvermont family, the successor to Merrififled will be part of the Airmont family, but it won't ship under that name. That SoC hasn't yet been announced and doesn't have a publicly disclosed codename.
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