03-24-2013 09:44 PM
- Yes. The thing is, Android and iOS have been around long enough for their update procedures to be fairly well understood. This is what people base their expectations on. However, although everyone realizes iOS has a completely different approach to updates than Android, and visa versa, few can imagine that WP too might have it's own and entirely unique approach to major version updates. It does.
Microsoft, Apple and Google have different ideas about how an ecosystem is best maintained and what types of fragmentation are tolerable. These differing views are what each OS developer's unique approach to major version updates can be traced back to.
WP devices won't update to major new versions like iOS does.
What complicates matters somewhat, is that version numbers are nothing more than arbitrary labels. Microsoft can decide to call WP8.1 WP2013. Instead if WP8.5 they can call it WP-Blue, or instead of WP9 they can call it WP8.9. Version numbers don't really mean anything. My point is, there will be a cutoff point that coincides with the introduction of new hardware, and that point will come far earlier than it does on iOS.
"Based on what do you believe that to be true?"
You have said absolutely nothing that demonstrates you have any genuine inside information to speak so directly about the WP8 update trajectory. .02-25-2013 07:16 PM
- 02-25-2013 07:19 PM
I think my past posts have shown I know at least a little bit about what is going on. Make of it what you will.02-25-2013 07:39 PM
- I thought you were previously talking about apps. Sorry. Windows store apps run on both x86 and ARMv7. That is what I meant was solved.
What you are referring to, is that ability of the OS itself to run on different CPU architectures. However, that too is solved, thanks to the shared and portable Windows kernel that's been discussed in the media this last while. The whole point of a kernel is to abstract away the differences in CPU architectures, so the software layers above it can ignore those differences. As it turns out, W8RT is just a subset of W8. That subset is already installed as part of every single W8 installation, so technically, we already have W8RT running on x86.
What I find on the web doesn't agree with you. That might have been true at one point, but Intel is speeding things up on the low-power side to defend better against ARM. Intel is delivering 14nm based parts for testing in less than four months. 14nm production will ramp up this year. Parts will be launched in 2014, possibly even early 2014.
Just as Merrifield is part of the Silvermont family, the successor to Merrififled will be part of the Airmont family, but it won't ship under that name. That SoC hasn't yet been announced and doesn't have a publicly disclosed codename.
14nm Airmont Atom & Intel Skylake microarchitecture (6th generation) is set for 2015!
I only wish you were right but unfortunately we wait!02-25-2013 08:33 PM
This has been repeated all over the web ever since, including on Wikipedia:
"In May 2011, Intel has announced an accelerated roadmap for Atom SoC, with 22 nm Silvermont core scheduled in 2013, and 14 nm Airmont core scheduled in 2014"
I don't work at Intel, but to the best of my knowledge, that roadmap hasn't changed.02-25-2013 09:11 PM
- 02-25-2013 09:29 PM
"developing an app for Windows on ARM is the same as developing a Metro style app for x86/64 PCs; that is, the same Metro style app will run on either hardware."
Of course I'm not talking about traditional desktop software like Photoshop. I'm talking only about Windows Store apps. Finally, both W8 and W8RT run Windows Store apps in a VM. It's called the .NET runtime environment.02-25-2013 10:14 PM
WP8 won't use WP9 especially if it's ARMv8 or Intel 64 hardware used for next generation platform. Just the way it goes!
Can you play PS3 games on PS2? Same thing here.
The best you could hope for is WP9 uses ARMv8 hardware technology that can still use all old ARMv7 WP8 software! I personally don't care about backwards compatibility because I want new apps with my new Phone. 😁02-25-2013 11:19 PM
- 02-25-2013 11:38 PMLike 2
In the future there be Windows RT64 for ARMv8 64-bit technology.02-26-2013 02:05 AM
- 02-26-2013 09:59 AM
If this were true there would be no need for Windows RT (R-RISC T-Technology)
I'm not saying that software can't work together but the programming language is very different from RISC to CISC in how it's processed.
To say ARMv7 is the same as x86 architecture is wrong.
Now can use tricks to emulate apps and software under Visual Studio. Yes your right about this part!02-26-2013 10:42 AM
- i am hoping that WP8 will not be ditched like they did with WP7.5, there was good justification from MS about why they had to ditch WP 7.5. WP8 customers will be ditched again IF MS decided to use X86 processor, it might be a while before Intel can compete with ARM on power consumption, if MS decides to change architecture again in couple of years then WP platform is screwed, we can forget about Windows Mobile Platform. Even if X86 is better than ARM it is major inconvenience for booth customers & app developers.02-26-2013 10:46 AM
- I own a WP8 ATIV S smartphone based on ARMv7 32-bit technology and knowing the future is ARMv8 64-bit technology, the future of Windows Phone is clear!
Good thing the move from ARMv7 to ARMv8 starting in 2015. Ill almost get 3 years out of my ATIV S?
The sad thing I here is there might be a Windows 8 Phone or call it Windows Phone 8 Pro? That right x86 Windows Phone!
Now I don't know if it is x86 or x86-64 hardware depends on the Atom they use.
The upcoming Intel Atom "Bay Trail" is a ARMv7 killer SoC Intel Processor with less power than ARMv7 Snapdragon 800 series. We will see? 😎02-26-2013 11:19 AM
- The weird part about the upcoming "Blue" is I believe it's a SP1 (Service Pack 1) for unifying Windows 8, Windows RT, WP8. But then found some saying it's a new NT 6.3 kernel? That would mean all new Windows altogether?
Would Microsoft kill off Windows 8 in the first year?02-26-2013 11:47 AM
- It's not emulated. It's native (managed) code. You write the application once and it compiles to run on all architectures. That's why 99% of all the WinRT applications run on ARM, x86, and x64. No, you can't run desktop software on Windows RT, but in many cases, that's more of a matter of it being locked down. Pure .NET applications will run perfectly on a jailbroken device.02-26-2013 11:47 AM
So much hate for Windows 8 I don't get it? I just hope BLUE update is only a unified service pack 1 for Windows 8, Windows RT, WP8 only we hope to fix our eco platform we already have and not start a new one!02-26-2013 02:10 PM
I'll admit MS must do a better job, but at least they have an update policy. Android represents the lawless hinterlands in comparison, you just buy a device and hope for the best.02-26-2013 04:02 PM
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