- 06-06-2013, 05:26 PM #1Some of the world's largest internet brands are claimed to be part of the information-sharing program since its introduction in 2007. Microsoft – which is currently running an advertising campaign with the slogan "Your privacy is our priority" – was the first, with collection beginning in December 2007.
It was followed by Yahoo in 2008; Google, Facebook and PalTalk in 2009; YouTube in 2010; Skype and AOL in 2011; and finally Apple, which joined the program in 2012. The program is continuing to expand, with other providers due to come online.
NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk
- 06-07-2013, 02:09 AM #4
The difference is in government privacy versus commercial privacy. Google does both the governmental and commercial disclosure of your information.
I guarantee you that as long as you operate in the digital world, your privacy from the government is gone, no matter what company's products you use. You should assume that from day one. Whether or not that is a wrong or "evil" is quite subjective and certainly not black and white. Either way, that is the fault of the government, not the companies. Those companies may not have a choice if they wish to operate in the US.
Where Google takes it a step further is with its commercial efforts and targeting using your personal information.
- 06-07-2013, 02:22 AM #5
06-07-2013, 10:37 AM #7
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- 06-07-2013, 04:48 PM #8
However, just because it's the government doesn't mean the innocent are not targets. The recent profiling and targeting by the IRS is a perfect example.
- 06-08-2013, 01:07 PM #11
- 06-11-2013, 04:49 PM #14
But you can definitely say that Microsoft has been the first to inadvertently put foot in mouth this time around.
(Though it's definitely not the first time "Microsoft" and "foot in mouth" has been mentioned together. You could say the two go together like a taco and a warm fart...)
- 06-11-2013, 05:15 PM #15
And its also been noted that the details of the allegations against the program were incorrect.
06-11-2013, 05:20 PM #16
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The hardest part of governing is trying to be everything to everyone. While the idea that the government actually gives a rip about what you're doing online daily is humorous at first blush, the reality is, as American's, we demand this kind of thing, even when we don't consciously acknowledge that fact.
A man walks into a bar and begins to drink too much. He leaves, gets into his car, and proceeds to kill a family of 5 coming home from getting ice cream. One third of the community is outraged that the man didn't take personal responsibility but doesn't want government to tell him what to do. One third is angry that the bartender, the manager and the owner (who wasn't even there) didn't have a process in place to cut him off and thinks they should be held personally responsible. And the last third are angry that the police didn't do enough to catch him while he was driving drunk and want more cops on the street and more legislation to stop it from happening in the first place. What does government do? They do whatever gives them the best outcome while trying to manage all three expectations.
There are roughly 350,000,000 people in the US alone. Government has a hard enough time dealing with the hundreds of instances of road rage, murders, rapes, burglaries, domestic violence, kids lunch programs, testing, FEMA, floods, tornadoes...this list just goes on and on. Imagine just for a moment the things that they know that you don't...and probably are glad to keep it that way.
To think that we are at the point of being 1984 is borderline hysteria. To think we aren't headed that way is foolish. But, more importantly, to think what might happen to you, your children, your family or your friends, not to mention the average person on the street, if programs like this didn't exist? It makes absolutely no sense to me why you wouldn't want someone watching your back. That's what programs like this do. They ultimately protect you.
If you honestly didn't think something like this was already happening every time you swiped your credit card, tapped out a text, made a call or sent dear old Mum an email, then you've been living in a hole...and it's time to come up for air.
Not sure why I'm going on a rant here. I guess it's the disgustingly duplicitous manner in which we manage our lives. We get angry when our guys lose and their guys win and they get angry when their guys lose and our guys win. Then everyone complains all while doing little or nothing to change the culture.
But I digress...
- 06-11-2013, 06:37 PM #17
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- 06-11-2013, 07:45 PM #18
Not to mention this accusation is all incorrect. Read Ed Botts article about this story.
You are the one with the knee jerk reaction. Let me guess, you think we didn't go to the moon, JFKs death was a government plot along with 911?
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