XP-YESSSSSSS

Dell's already awesome XPS 15 gets even better in 2017

Surface table meets Windows 10

Yes, we did put Windows 10 on the original Surface table ... and it rocks

Cream o' the crop

Before buying a Microsoft laptop, check out our pick for the absolute best

Simple and secure, just the way I like it

We think Windows 10 Cloud is a great idea, here's why

uber micro

Halo Wars 2 has something for everyone. Here's our full review.

Oldie but goldie

We reviewed Microsoft's decade-old Surface table

Creators Update comin' at ya

These are the coolest new features in the next big Xbox One update (video)

Buyer's guide

The Razer Blade 14 is the best laptop Razer has to offer

Windows 10 app gems

10 terrific Windows 10 apps you should be using

Tower of power

Here's what we think of Dell's XPS Tower Special Edition

Quite a deal

Grab the complete C# coding bootcamp for $41!

Your go-to laptop guide

Introducing our ultimate laptop buyer's guide

Listen here

Attn Android and iPhone users: What you need to know about Windows phone

Old is new?

The original Surface Pro still holds its own in the 2-in-1 world

Xbox Greenlight?

No, internet, Microsoft isn't opening Xbox to all UWP games

Falling in love

HP Envy 34 review: An ultrawide curved all-in-one after my heart

2015 machine in 2017?

Surface 3 still holds its own in 2017

Let Kodi cut your cord

You should be using Kodi for Windows 10

Leader of the pack

HP's Spectre x360 15 just might be the best all-around laptop

New or refurbed?

Is a refurbed Surface right for you?

< >
Welcome to the Windows Central Forums Create Your Account or Ask a Question Answers in 5 minutes - no registration required!
Page 1 of 6 123456 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 148
Like Tree61Likes
  1. Ruined's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    487 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
       #1  
    Try this: Compare Microsoft's Surface to the iPad

    Comparing the Surface Pro to the iPad can get pretty ugly, says CNET's Brooke Crothers. And he's not even talking about the design.
    Surface Pro 2. It's bigger, thicker, heavier than the iPad. Oh yeah, it's more expensive too


    SUMMARY from Brooke Cothers of CNET:
    * Surface Pro is ugly
    * Surface Pro is poor compared to the ipad
    * Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet
    * Surface Pro is bigger, heavier, and more expensive than the iPad
    * Surface 2 sucks too, because it doesn't use Bay Trail.
    * Things are just going to get worse for Microsoft in the coming months
    * Buy an iPad, duh!

    That makes it 3 different writers in a month that have slagged off on Microsoft products with nonsensical, misleading, and outright incorrect reasoning.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...e-to-the-ipad/

    This website is a joke. Does anyone know of a more evenhanded tech website?
    chezm, alllies, Daylife and 7 others like this.
  2. Jaskys's Avatar
    Banned

    Posts
    603 Posts
    Global Posts
    604 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #2  
    Wow. Does someone pays them to spread bull****? I don't think they do it just because of fanboyism.
    KKRLessey likes this.
  3. CrownSeven's Avatar
    Developer

    Posts
    46 Posts
    Global Posts
    82 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #3  
    Not surprised considering half their staff quit due to the whole 'Hopper' fiasco that happened a few months back. Pretty much killed any credibility CNET had left in my mind.
  4. peacock93's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    139 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #4  
    ^ This!
    xandros9, rdubmu and KKRLessey like this.
  5. Brendan Dooley's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    24 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #5  
    Well, I actually agree with points number 4, 5, and 6...
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    Retired Ambassador

    Posts
    2,416 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,623 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #6  
    Guys, we can calm down, the comment section of that article let them have it.

    I'm impressed though, its been 6 days since the Surface came out that they posted an anti-Surface article, normally its the same day for something from Microsoft.
    xandros9 likes this.
  7. chezm's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    1,356 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,538 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #7  
    I saw this earlier today...pretty annoy and hard to read. Sure the iPads cheaper, but the references to the Pros below average crying is overboard. I used to like CNET, the last few articles by them towards MS has been nothing but plain ignorance or lack of knowledge on the product. I agree, this is beyond a fan boy prospective.
  8. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    784 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #8  
    CNET and BGR both are Apple's b**ches
  9. LMZR's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    2,645 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,742 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #9  
    They need to change CNET's name to APPLENET.

    Oh, and they're comparing the Surface Pro 2 against the iPad, he would be better off comparing the Blackberry Playbook and the Sony Xperia Z Ultra!
  10. LMZR's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    2,645 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,742 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #10  
    And also, what makes them think that Apple is better than Microsoft because they listen to them?

    Maybe those pay-checks make opinions.
  11. thecaringkind's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    158 Posts
    Global Posts
    283 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #11  
    CNET is pretty much a joke now however there continue to be serious issues with Microsoft branding, features and pricing for the surface.

    First. Sell the Surface as simply the Surface. No RT. No Surface 2. Just Surface. You can differentiate generations, (like the Nexus 7), but that's it. Market the Surface as a TABLET. A very flexible and capable TABLET. Not a hybrid, not a laptop, a TABLET.

    Design wise go for thin and light all the time and everytime. Period.

    Bundle the type cover with the 32gig tablet and price it at a flat $400. Period. It would instantly be serious competition in the TABLET space as long as they continue to flesh out the app ecosystem.

    Finally. Scrap the pro. The Pro is a joke of a device. You can easily spend almost $2000 for a spec'd -out Surface Pro with all the accessories. That's ridiculous considering the laptops available now that run Windows.

    Microsoft has good engineers but couldn't sell ice cubes to a room full of Eskimos.
  12. chezm's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    1,356 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,538 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #12  
    If there was no Surface Pro, I wouldn't even take interest in a tablet and disregard the devices altogether. Why is the Pro a joke?...even if the market is small now, the probability of growing considering the consumer market is positive.
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    Retired Ambassador

    Posts
    2,416 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,623 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #13  
    Quote Originally Posted by thecaringkind View Post
    CNET is pretty much a joke now however there continue to be serious issues with Microsoft branding, features and pricing for the surface.

    First. Sell the Surface as simply the Surface. No RT. No Surface 2. Just Surface. You can differentiate generations, (like the Nexus 7), but that's it. Market the Surface as a TABLET. A very flexible and capable TABLET. Not a hybrid, not a laptop, a TABLET.

    Design wise go for thin and light all the time and everytime. Period.

    Bundle the type cover with the 32gig tablet and price it at a flat $400. Period. It would instantly be serious competition in the TABLET space as long as they continue to flesh out the app ecosystem.

    Finally. Scrap the pro. The Pro is a joke of a device. You can easily spend almost $2000 for a spec'd -out Surface Pro with all the accessories. That's ridiculous considering the laptops available now that run Windows.

    Microsoft has good engineers but couldn't sell ice cubes to a room full of Eskimos.
    You act like Microsoft's goal is to sell a ton of these. Microsoft has never done business that way. They want to sell you an OS. The Surface line is like a proof of concept that they want the OEMs to try to be, then that'll drive the prices down on other Windows products. They want their partners to sell computers/tablets, not run them out of business.
    Dk92 and Bartdog like this.
  14. thecaringkind's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    158 Posts
    Global Posts
    283 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #14  
    I have no issues with that strategy however what they are offering is counterintuitive to that end. They cannot hope to get a toehold in market share by having a weak sales/ marketing strategy backed by confusing product branding, and overpriced hardware that can run a handful of programs in a weak apps ecosystem.

    The Pro is a joke because no one knows what it is. Is it a tablet? NO. Is it a laptop? NO. Is it expensive as hell? YES.

    So hows that for marketing a product. Microsoft has a knack for muddying the waters...
  15. rhodri22's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    76 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #15  
    Quote Originally Posted by Jas00555 View Post
    You act like Microsoft's goal is to sell a ton of these. Microsoft has never done business that way. They want to sell you an OS. The Surface line is like a proof of concept that they want the OEMs to try to be, then that'll drive the prices down on other Windows products. They want their partners to sell computers/tablets, not run them out of business.
    Where have you been for the last few months? That was the 'old' Microsoft, the 'new' Microsoft is a Devices and Services company, therefore selling devices should probably be a priority for them...
  16. Jas00555's Avatar
    Retired Ambassador

    Posts
    2,416 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,623 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #16  
    I think they have the Surface marketing nailed down. Really the main ads that I see for the Surface are comparing it to the iPad and how its better.

    As for the Pro side.... Yeah, they have a way to go with that. No dancing people, and I do agree they should bundle the keyboard with the pro since they show it in literally every ad (just the pro, not the Surface, since the Surface is a tablet).

    IMO, one of my biggest pet peeves in their marketing is the unveiling of their products. It always seems so under the rug, forget about it. To make the OEMs try to be the Surface, they should show off the Surface way more than they do now. Have big, cheering audiences, live video feed directly from Surface.com, all that jazz that people get to see and be excited about at Apple events.
  17. Jas00555's Avatar
    Retired Ambassador

    Posts
    2,416 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,623 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #17  
    Quote Originally Posted by rhodri22 View Post
    Where have you been for the last few months? That was the 'old' Microsoft, the 'new' Microsoft is a Devices and Services company, therefore selling devices should probably be a priority for them...
    I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give Dell $2 billion if they didn't care if their partners go out of business because they're selling their own stuff, just my opinion though...
    Last edited by Jas00555; 09-29-2013 at 08:55 PM.
  18. ohgood's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    1,016 Posts
    Global Posts
    1,019 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #18  
    a lot of websites are saying similar things about wether this compares with that.

    ms's own executives are making classification of both software and hardware difficult for coonsumers from their descriptions:

    Microsoft Surface head: Surface Pro is a PC, Surface RT is a tablet - Neowin
  19. crash1989's Avatar
    Developer

    Posts
    1,495 Posts
    Global Posts
    1,498 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #19  
    All these news from engadget, cnet, verge are weird .. they seem to see this differently from us. they have facts to support this of course, i hope they sell decently well. they are good devices.
  20. slowboy920's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    42 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #20  
    I don't understand why people keep saying the SP2 is expensive. I've been looking for a new laptop and every comparable ultrabook is priced similar to the SP2 w/ keyboard.
    Daylife and Cleavitt76 like this.
  21. rhodri22's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    76 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by Jas00555 View Post
    I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give Dell $2 billion if they didn't care if their partners go out of business because they're selling their own stuff, just my opinion though...
    That is an excellent point. Consumer image vs. need to keep enterprise customers? Microsoft does the consumer hardware while Dell caters for the enterprise market for them in the shadows?
  22. chezm's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    1,356 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,538 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by thecaringkind View Post

    The Pro is a joke because no one knows what it is. Is it a tablet? NO. Is it a laptop? NO. Is ur expensive as hell? YES.

    ...
    its a laptop with tablet capabilities, that's the way I see it. I agree the marketing needs work, seems the latest pro 2 ads do a better job of the market they're targeting. And I agree its expensive...but what it offers is unique and a productive move forward for the industry...its a hope that OEMs see the potential with this type of device. MS isn't going to sell a very high quality product at cheap...if you think the Pro isn't a quality product than I'd like to know what is...especially at $1000. People make it seem like the device is $2500..
    Dk92 likes this.
  23. thecaringkind's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    158 Posts
    Global Posts
    283 Global Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #23  
    Its a quality product but what are you really getting for that price that you can't get from a mid-level to hi end laptop?
  24. Dudley Jackson's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    2 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #24  
    Long story short, Microsoft describes the SP2 as a device with all the power of a laptop in the form factor of a laptop. Its a great device...It has potential...I've seen it sell (I work at Best Buy)...And its funny that both devices are more capable of replacing a laptop than any iPad or Android tablet...
  25. Dudley Jackson's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    2 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    #25  
    If Apple can charge $1000 for a MBAir with 720p resolution 11-Inch NON-TOUCH Screen, 4th Gen i5, 128GB SSD and 4GB RAM is the SP2 with 10.6 1080p TOUCH-SCREEN, 4th Gen i5, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM for $1000 really expensive???
Page 1 of 6 123456 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Anyone Ever Use The Wallet On WP8?
    By deadwrong03 in forum Windows Phone 8
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 12-06-2013, 10:56 AM
  2. How many people have you converted to WP8?
    By Heron_Kusanagi in forum Windows Phone 8
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 10-25-2013, 10:13 AM
  3. how can i add downloading feature in my app
    By Aadarsh Modi in forum Developers Corner
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 10-04-2013, 01:24 AM
  4. Share to multiple social networks with One Love
    By Jerrie Pelser in forum App Spotlight
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-01-2013, 02:04 AM
  5. Video and Music - How To Stream and Slideshow
    By garak0410 in forum Xbox Console Gaming
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-30-2013, 11:34 AM

Posting Permissions