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  1. DLong4's Avatar
    I purchased and received yesterday the fingerprint ID type cover for my vaporous Surface Pro 4 i7, but after more closely watching Panay's presentation from the 6th, he seemed to imply that this type cover was designed more for the Pro 3 device. If the camera on the Pro 4 is adequate for Windows Hello, then would the fingerprint ID ever need to be used? Wondering if I need to exchange it for the regular Pro 4 type cover.
    10-27-2015 09:00 AM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    The new covers are designed with the Pro 4 for both the 3 and 4.

    Don't worry about whether it'll work better on the 3 or 4 or not, but worry instead if the markup is worth the extra functionality to you. Sure, it could be replaced by Hello I guess, but I'd prefer a fingerprint reader, but that's just me, not having tried Hello before.
    10-27-2015 09:37 AM
  3. astondg's Avatar
    The SP4 includes facial recognition in its front facing camera so you can use that to log in with Windows Hello, you don't need the fingerprint scanner. But the cover with the fingerprint scanner will still work with the SP4.

    The SP3 doesn't have the facial recognition so if you want Windows Hello on an SP3 then you need the fingerprint scanner.

    Sure, it could be replaced by Hello I guess, but I'd prefer a fingerprint reader, but that's just me, not having tried Hello before.
    I think 'Windows Hello' is the name of the biometric solution in Windows 10, it's independent of the actual tech being used (e.g. fingerprint, facial recognition, iris scanner, etc.). So with the fingerprint scanner you will still be using Windows Hello.
    10-27-2015 02:05 PM
  4. Derman's Avatar
    I, too, ordered the fingerprint scanner keyboard.

    At a later date, do you think the fingerprint scanner could be used for log-ins? I was thinking of something similar to what Apple has going for banking and credit card apps.
    10-27-2015 02:20 PM
  5. astondg's Avatar
    At a later date, do you think the fingerprint scanner could be used for log-ins? I was thinking of something similar to what Apple has going for banking and credit card apps.
    I think that's exactly what Microsoft has planned with Windows Hello.
    10-27-2015 03:56 PM
  6. badMojo69's Avatar
    Hello is awesome! Fingerprint readers are so old school.
    10-27-2015 03:57 PM
  7. Robert Paulsen's Avatar
    I got the fingerprint scanner and used it 2x, then setup the facial recognition and haven't used it since. Everything else about the keyboard still rocks. Solo much better than previous versions.
    10-27-2015 04:02 PM
  8. TheCudder's Avatar
    It's redundant to have the Finger Print Reader TypeCover if you have the Surface Pro 4 as it has a built-in infrared camera that will log you in with facial recognition using Windows Hello. The Finger Print Reader Type Cover was built mostly for those Surface Pro 3 customers wanting Windows Hello support --- and/or an improved typing experience due to the new keys & glass touch pad.

    Another thing to consider...using the SP4's infrared camera logs you in with Windows Hello with or without the TypeCover in tact. If you configure the finger print read you'd have to have the keyboard attached.
    10-27-2015 04:42 PM
  9. michail71's Avatar
    I was thinking the camera didn't support Hello since they put the finger print reader on there.

    Since the Book doesn't have one it must be there for the 3.
    10-27-2015 11:59 PM
  10. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    As fast as the IR Camera works on the SP4 I don't see much more use for the fingerprint scanner. If apps took advantage of it for payments then maybe.

    The camera logs me in a matter of 1-2 seconds.
    10-28-2015 02:07 AM
  11. michail71's Avatar
    As fast as the IR Camera works on the SP4 I don't see much more use for the fingerprint scanner. If apps took advantage of it for payments then maybe.

    The camera logs me in a matter of 1-2 seconds.
    Is that the recognition part or the full time to unlock? I've been curious to see it in action but they never have the store demos setup with biometrics.
    10-28-2015 02:48 PM
  12. astondg's Avatar
    If apps took advantage of it for payments then maybe.
    The fingerprint scanner & facial recognition are the same in terms of app payments & other authentication. It's all 'Windows Hello' and compatible with the FIDO Alliance.

    The plan with FIDO is to allow all types of auth, payments/app & website logins/etc.
    10-28-2015 04:10 PM
  13. TheCudder's Avatar
    Is that the recognition part or the full time to unlock? I've been curious to see it in action but they never have the store demos setup with biometrics.
    It's pretty much instant. Pretty much as soon as my face gets in view of the IR camera it displays "Hello <my name>" and I'm logged in. There is no slow "scanning", "stay still", "get in better lighting" messages. You put your face in view of the IR camera and it's logs you in right away, it's some amazingly fast tech.
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    10-28-2015 04:22 PM
  14. ParoleGA's Avatar
    It's pretty much instant. Pretty much as soon as my face gets in view of the IR camera it displays "Hello <my name>" and I'm logged in. There is no slow "scanning", "stay still", "get in better lighting" messages. You put your face in view of the IR camera and it's logs you in right away, it's some amazingly fast tech.
    I was actually surprised how well it works even in very dim light, and very quick. It's pretty impressive.
    10-28-2015 04:57 PM
  15. TheCudder's Avatar
    I was actually surprised how well it works even in very dim light, and very quick. It's pretty impressive.
    Yep, the power of infrared! I'm actually black (if you didn't notice from my avy, lol) and I was able to login with facial recognition in a completely dark room at night, so there was zero ambient light.
    10-28-2015 05:58 PM
  16. snakebitten's Avatar
    Bought the scanner keyboard with the SP4 too. No regrets.
    Facial scan works far beyond my expectations. Amazing, in fact.
    But future possibilities with keyboard scanner are worth the redundancy to me.
    Besides, what's $30 in the overall hefty bundle? :)
    10-28-2015 09:17 PM
  17. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    In case anyone is wondering on facial recognition Sean Ong goes over it in a demo.
    10-29-2015 11:39 AM
  18. michail71's Avatar
    It's pretty much instant. Pretty much as soon as my face gets in view of the IR camera it displays "Hello <my name>" and I'm logged in. There is no slow "scanning", "stay still", "get in better lighting" messages. You put your face in view of the IR camera and it's logs you in right away, it's some amazingly fast tech.
    So the downside is we don't get to see the pretty pictures on Windows Spotlight?

    I have a laptop with the finger print scanner and sometimes I take a moment to admire the photo before swiping, lol.
    10-29-2015 08:56 PM
  19. Dan Frownfelter's Avatar
    I also got the finger print type cover, mostly for two reasons, it is a bit lighter and in varying lighting conditions the camera has difficulty recognizing me. I often use the SP on a table while RV'ing and there is an extreme difference in lighting conditions. Without repeating the camera recognizing process many times, it is much easier to just touch the keyboard. On the other hand, when using the SP only as a tablet, the camera has no issues recognizing me right off the bat.
    10-29-2015 09:27 PM
  20. TheCudder's Avatar
    Bought the scanner keyboard with the SP4 too. No regrets.
    Facial scan works far beyond my expectations. Amazing, in fact.
    But future possibilities with keyboard scanner are worth the redundancy to me.
    Besides, what's $30 in the overall hefty bundle? :)
    They have the same future possibilities --- as they both are part of the future of Windows Hello.

    So the downside is we don't get to see the pretty pictures on Windows Spotlight?

    I have a laptop with the finger print scanner and sometimes I take a moment to admire the photo before swiping, lol.
    If Windows Spotlight is up, it'll stay there until you swipe up :)
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    10-29-2015 11:45 PM
  21. michail71's Avatar
    They have the same future possibilities --- as they both are part of the future of Windows Hello.



    If Windows Spotlight is up, it'll stay there until you swipe up :)
    They have some damn gorgeous photos on there. They really highlight the great displays too.
    10-30-2015 07:35 AM
  22. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    ...in varying lighting conditions the camera has difficulty recognizing me. I often use the SP on a table while RV'ing and there is an extreme difference in lighting conditions. Without repeating the camera recognizing process many times, it is much easier to just touch the keyboard. On the other hand, when using the SP only as a tablet, the camera has no issues recognizing me right off the bat.
    The Windows Hello sensor is IR, the lighting conditions shouldn't matter. Maybe it's the angle that's causing a problem while it is in laptop mode, perhaps your face is not actually in view of the camera?
    10-30-2015 10:51 AM
  23. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Actually I don't think the ir shouldn't work well in sunlight. So the fingerprint keyboard is a good backup solution.
    10-30-2015 09:36 PM
  24. Quilt1520's Avatar
    Bought the scanner keyboard with the SP4 too. No regrets.
    Facial scan works far beyond my expectations. Amazing, in fact.
    But future possibilities with keyboard scanner are worth the redundancy to me.
    Besides, what's $30 in the overall hefty bundle? :)
    Picking up a SP4 next week. FP keyboard cover is on my accessories list. Nothing wrong with redundancy.
    02-25-2017 09:05 PM
  25. rdubmu's Avatar
    Picking up a SP4 next week. FP keyboard cover is on my accessories list. Nothing wrong with redundancy.
    This is a year and a half old thread
    03-03-2017 08:03 AM
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