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  1. boltman2013's Avatar
    It comes with a keyboard at least.
    Agree each has its plus and minus..but when it comes to supporting Windows 10 features SP4 and SB are the reference series.... plus I believe better keyboard, display, sound and build quality.

    It was important for me to find a device that checked all the feature boxes without compromise. Not many support Hello so that narrowed it way down for me.
    11-01-2015 02:44 PM
  2. Rebeska's Avatar
    Agree each has its plus and minus..but when it comes to supporting Windows 10 features SP4 and SB are the reference series.... plus I believe better keyboard, display, sound and build quality.

    It was important for me to find a device that checked all the feature boxes without compromise. Not many support Hello so that narrowed it way down for me.
    Windows Hello isn't too high on my list, such as LTE and USB Type-C. Same with cool/fan. I want the Intel Core M in a tablet and XPS 12 has better Intel Core M and twice as much memory.
    11-01-2015 03:25 PM
  3. offbeatbop's Avatar
    Better should probably say quieter in the thread title
    11-01-2015 09:00 PM
  4. boltman2013's Avatar
    Better should probably say quieter in the thread title
    I believe its better for the following reasons..

    1. Designed specifically for the Surface Pro 4 (Partnership with Intel)
    2. No moving parts ( More reliable)
    3. Less heat (More reliable)
    4. Silence (Heavenly)
    5. Cheaper (Able to buy other stuff)

    I go back to my opinion IF you think you need more INVEST in Surface Book or other...pointless to do it on SP4.
    So yes its better.
    11-01-2015 09:14 PM
  5. ParoleGA's Avatar
    If you need more computing power, the Dell XPS 13 uses the 4 core Skylark processors rather than the low power duel cores in the SP4 and SB.
    The XPS 13 does not use a quad core Skylake. It uses an i5-6200U or i7-6500U, both dual core. The XPS 15 uses a quad core; either an i5-6300HQ or i7-6700HQ. While the i5 in the 15" is a quad core, it is only capable of a single thread per core (4 Cores, 4 Threads), while the i7 is a 2 thread per core chip (4 cores, 8 threads).

    The Surface Pro 4 uses either m3-6Y30, i5-6300U, or i7-6650U. The Surface Book does not offer the M series processor, the i5 is the same 6300U, while the i7 is the 6600U, which is the same chip/same clock as the SP4's i7, with a lower iGPU option.

    The i5 and i7 in the XPS 13 and SP4/Book are really the same chip with different clocks. The SP/SB use higher clocks, so theoretically, should perform faster but run hotter. Perceived difference is likely negligible, and the cooling system of each would likely have a greater felt impact (in performance, and possibly noise). I haven't played with the XPS or SP4, but the SB with dGPU should beat all in processor performance, simply because it splits the heat load to two different thermal environments. Aside from the benefits of having a dGPU, it should also throttle the CPU less, when graphics performance is needed.

    So, the SP4/SB (except the m3) should best the XPS 13 in performance benchmarks, assuming equally efficient cooling. Other considerations (noise - I don't know which is noisier, preferred form factor, style, etc.) should inform your decision. The XPS 15 should beat them all, but it is in a different class. It is hard to fit, cool and feed (power) a quad core chip, in a 13"ish form factor. That's why no one, that I'm aware of, has done it to date.

    XPS 13:
    Intel Core i5-6200U - FJ8066201930409 Mobile processor
    Intel Core i7-6500U - FJ8066201930408 Mobile processor

    XPS 15:
    Intel Core i5-6300HQ - CL8066202194632 Mobile processor
    Intel Core i7-6700HQ - CL8066202194635 Mobile processor

    Surface Pro 4 Options:
    SR2EN (Intel Core M m3-6Y30)
    Intel Core i5-6300U - FJ8066201924931 Mobile processor
    Intel Core i7-6650U - FJ8066202499212 Mobile processor

    Surface Book i7:
    Intel Core i7-6600U - FJ8066201924950 Mobile processor
    Last edited by ParoleGA; 11-02-2015 at 11:49 AM.
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    11-02-2015 07:30 AM
  6. Rebeska's Avatar
    The XPS 13 does not use a quad core Skylake. It uses an i5-6200U or i7-6500U, both dual core. The XPS 15 uses a quad core; either an i5-6300HQ or i7-6700HQ. While the i5 in the 15" is a quad core, it is only capable of a single thread per core (4 Cores, 4 Threads), while the i7 is a 2 thread per core chip (4 cores, 8 threads).

    The Surface Pro 4 uses either m3-6Y30, i5-6300U, or i7-6650U. The Surface Book does not offer the M series processor, the i5 is the same 6300U, while the i7 is the 6600U, which is the same chip/same clock as the SP4's i7, with a lower iGPU option. The XPS 12 looks to have an i5-4210U.

    The i5 and i7 in the XPS 13 and SP4/Book are really the same chip with different clocks. The SP/SB uses higher clocks, so theoretically, should perform faster but run hotter. Perceived difference is likely negligible, and the cooling system of each would likely have a greater felt impact (in performance, and possibly noise). I haven't played with the XPS or SP4, but the SB with dGPU should beat all in processor performance, simply because it splits the heat load to two different thermal environments. Aside from the benefits of having a dGPU, it should also throttle the CPU less, when graphics performance is needed.

    So, the SP4/SB (except the m3) should best the XPS 13 in all performance benchmarks, assuming equally efficient cooling. Other considerations (noise - I don't know which is noisier, preferred form factor, style, etc.) should inform your decision. The XPS 15 should beat them all, but it is in a different class. It is hard to fit, cool and feed (power) a quad core chip, in a 13"ish form factor. That's why no one, that I'm aware of, has done it to date.

    XPS 13:
    Intel Core i5-6200U - FJ8066201930409 Mobile processor
    Intel Core i7-6500U - FJ8066201930408 Mobile processor

    XPS 15:
    Intel Core i5-6300HQ - CL8066202194632 Mobile processor
    Intel Core i7-6700HQ - CL8066202194635 Mobile processor

    Surface Pro 4 Options:
    m3 - SR2EN (Intel Core M m3-6Y30)
    i5 - Intel Core i5-6300U - FJ8066201924931 Mobile processor
    i7 - Intel Core i7-6650U - FJ8066202499212 Mobile processor

    Surface Book i7:
    Intel Core i7-6600U - FJ8066201924950 Mobile processor

    XPS 12:
    Intel Core i5-4210U Mobile processor - CL8064701477802
    No, the new XPS 12 has Intel Core m5, not Intel Core i5.

    Otherwise, it's true that the XPS 15 has quad core processor and not the XPS 13. XPS 13 has dual core.
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    11-02-2015 11:16 AM
  7. ParoleGA's Avatar
    No, the new XPS 12 has Intel Core m5, not Intel Core i5.

    Otherwise, it's true that the XPS 15 has quad core processor and not the XPS 13. XPS 13 has dual core.
    You are probably right, that must have been an older generation. I am not having any luck with a SKU on the yet to be released current gen. I removed the info from my post.
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    11-02-2015 11:28 AM
  8. offbeatbop's Avatar
    I believe its better for the following reasons..

    1. Designed specifically for the Surface Pro 4 (Partnership with Intel)
    2. No moving parts ( More reliable)
    3. Less heat (More reliable)
    4. Silence (Heavenly)
    5. Cheaper (Able to buy other stuff)

    I go back to my opinion IF you think you need more INVEST in Surface Book or other...pointless to do it on SP4.
    So yes its better.
    It's less powerful and cannot be used for resource or graphically intensive applications so no, not better. Four of the five of your bullet points stem from the fact that it's less powerful. The first one is totally irrelevant.
    Last edited by offbeatbop; 11-02-2015 at 08:21 PM.
    11-02-2015 07:47 PM
  9. boltman2013's Avatar
    It's less powerful and cannot be used for resource or graphically intensive applications so no, not better. Four of the five of your bullet points stem from the fact that it's less powerful. The first one is totally irrelevant.
    Again in a device like the Surface 4 the M3 is definitely the one to get... new, silent efficient and better graphic performance. Not to mention cheapest. Any more you should not be looking at SP4..just becuse Microsoft wants you to you should be smarter...go Surface Book if you want more power... why would you invest another $500 to get to a decent i5 with 8GB or another $1000 for an i7? That's crazy as you are in Surface Book land . Trust me the SP4 begins and ends at the M3 anything higher look elsewhere at screens larger than 12.3 "
    11-02-2015 09:54 PM
  10. ParoleGA's Avatar
    Again in a device like the Surface 4 the M3 is definitely the one to get... new, silent efficient and better graphic performance. Not to mention cheapest. Any more you should not be looking at SP4..just becuse Microsoft wants you to you should be smarter...go Surface Book if you want more power... why would you invest another $500 to get to a decent i5 with 8GB or another $1000 for an i7? That's crazy as you are in Surface Book land . Trust me the SP4 begins and ends at the M3 anything higher look elsewhere at screens larger than 12.3 "
    They are all new, they are called Skylake.

    Efficiency is the ability to do a given task with less energy. The only way this could be correct is if you ask very little of your processor. Given it can't do equal work, it couldn't do the same work with less energy.

    It is not nearly as good at graphic performance, you are just being silly now.

    Technically, they are all silent. It doesn't need a fan, because again, it cant do the work needed to get hot enough. And if you ask it to, it is going to throttle down to extremely slow speeds, because it has no fan to cool it off.

    It's a fine chip, if you don't need to do much. It's also great if the sound of a fan makes you a sad panda. If all you are doing is web surfing and checking email, save yourself some more dough and get a $99 Kindle Fire. It also has no fan.
    11-02-2015 10:43 PM
  11. boltman2013's Avatar
    They are all new, they are called Skylake.

    Efficiency is the ability to do a given task with less energy. The only way this could be correct is if you ask very little of your processor. Given it can't do equal work, it couldn't do the same work with less energy.

    It is not nearly as good at graphic performance, you are just being silly now.

    Technically, they are all silent. It doesn't need a fan, because again, it cant do the work needed to get hot enough. And if you ask it to, it is going to throttle down to extremely slow speeds, because it has no fan to cool it off.

    It's a fine chip, if you don't need to do much. It's also great if the sound of a fan makes you a sad panda. If all you are doing is web surfing and checking email, save yourself some more dough and get a $99 Kindle Fire. It also has no fan.
    Kindle fire cant run programs , do Hyper V or has the best screen on the planet. The M3 does and it has no fan so no noise at all. The i5 and i7 have FANS and are way less efficient and not the fans you want
    11-02-2015 11:00 PM
  12. Devhux's Avatar
    Oh god! A FAN!! Everybody step back from that powerful tablet! It makes NOISE!!!

    Who cares if it can run some games, handle Photoshop or some video editing.... It has a FAN and that is EVIL!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!

    As for efficiency, it means diddly squat if the performance isn't there for the tasks someone might want the machine for. Surface Book isn't for everyone (as a matter of fact, I'm returning mine as I just don't trust the hinge mechanism - too many random issues seen already on my unit). I've also decided that the primary uses for my machine will be docked at my desk, or in tablet mode (with occasional laptop use). Guess what offers better battery life for my scenario? Surface Pro! I'm also not willing to limit myself to 4GB of RAM and 128GB of storage either, so that rules out the Core m3 model completely for me. One machine also suits my work flow better than 2 or 3.

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    11-03-2015 01:54 AM
  13. offbeatbop's Avatar
    Again in a device like the Surface 4 the M3 is definitely the one to get... new, silent efficient and better graphic performance. Not to mention cheapest. Any more you should not be looking at SP4..just becuse Microsoft wants you to you should be smarter...go Surface Book if you want more power... why would you invest another $500 to get to a decent i5 with 8GB or another $1000 for an i7? That's crazy as you are in Surface Book land . Trust me the SP4 begins and ends at the M3 anything higher look elsewhere at screens larger than 12.3 "
    Sorry, you lost me when you said an m3 gives "better graphic performance" than an i5. That doesn't even make sense.
    11-03-2015 08:27 PM
  14. mertzi's Avatar
    Oh god! A FAN!! Everybody step back from that powerful tablet! It makes NOISE!!!

    Who cares if it can run some games, handle Photoshop or some video editing.... It has a FAN and that is EVIL!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!
    Actually that's almost exactly how I feel about fans below 120mm. Laptop fans give me the shivers with that horrible high pitch whine even at low rpm's, one of the worst sounds on earth, like chalkboard scraping.
    11-04-2015 12:18 AM
  15. tritoui's Avatar
    FYI: We now have a Core m Surface Pro 4 in the house along with the Core i5 we used for the review. We'll be taking a closer look at it this week and I'll be doing some benchmarks over the weekend.

    Initial impression: It's a solid device, really impressive. I agree, though, it would have been killer to have an 8GB RAM version.
    Hi Daniel, when do you plan to publish your sp4 m3 review ?
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    11-10-2015 05:00 AM
  16. learn more's Avatar
    Core i7s are better than Core i5s, and Core i5s are better than Core i3s. The main reason here being performance. In general, Core i3 chips are found in budget PCs and low-end laptops. For a normal user who does browsing and watching videos, Core i3 works just fine. Core i3s have a low Cache size.
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