- 02-19-2013, 02:39 PM #1
So here we have a device that can be used as a full mobile OS as well as a touchscreen tablet. At first glance this should be a slam dunk. After all, nobody else really has anything like this yet. Apple is staying out of this game and continuing to offer MacOS on full laptops and iOS on tablets. Although it does appear now that Ubuntu is trying to get into this game (this is just my personal opinion but: there's a reason that Ubuntu desktop only has around 20 million downloads worldwide. I'll pass.)
The problem I have with it is that windows 8 Pro tablets are ready for hardware to catch up, but the hardware isn't ready for it Battery technology isn't ready to keep these puppies going for 10+ hours, and chips aren't ready yet either.
At a $1200-ish price point, you can get a regular laptop that will come with 500GB storage and 8MB RAM and be able to handle pretty much anything you can throw at it. Not so with the Surface Pro. At $600 and below you can get an ARM based tablet that will consume media just fine and last more than twice as long unplugged.
My opinion on these new x86 tablets is that they cannot perform as powerfully as a full laptop yet they cost just as much, and in many cases more, and they can't last as long unplugged as a tablet.
Do I think this is a brilliant idea though? Oh Heck yeah! But I need to wait until the CPU's and batteries catch up to this enough to offer at least 300GB storage, 6+MB of RAM, last as long as ARM based tablets unplugged, and have the processing power of regular laptops. Until that happens, I'll be using an actual PC for x86 Windows 8 media creation, and a separate ARM based tablet for portable media consumption.
- 02-19-2013, 05:53 PM #2
You're paying extra for form factor. Yes, you can get a full-featured laptop for the same price that has 8GB of RAM, a TB drive or 256GB SSD, i7, 1080p screen, etc etc... can you fit that in a small messenger-style camera bag?
From what it sounds like your needs are, I'd certainly wait for Haswell devices if I were you.
- 02-19-2013, 06:07 PM #3
I currently love my surface, if I need to use it for 10 plus hours I probably need to get some fresh air. My battery life is about 3-4 hours depending on what I run. I do get your point, but I agree with the second poster the form factor is awesome!
- 02-19-2013, 07:25 PM #4
I agree. I'm going to get an ultrabook, probably from Lenovo, since I want an x86 device with a touchscreen, that has more robust peripherals and can be easily used on one's lap. It'll still be more portable than older laptops.
Surface Pro's form factor does not appeal to me.
- 02-19-2013, 08:15 PM #5
You guys don't know what your missing. Sucks for you. I haven't found anything my Pro can't do (really surprised with only 4 gigs of ram). Though I know Haswell will help with battery life, I have no complaints with the Pro. The battery lasts all day with normal use. Today, I worked off of battery for OVER 5.5 hours while continuously working on a PowerPoint presentation using the type cover, wedge mouse, and multiple IE10 windows open (was importing a LOT of images), outlook open, PhotoShop, and constantly saving to skydrive. I finished the pres and plugged in before getting a battery warning. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to check how much was left.
- 02-19-2013, 08:23 PM #6
What's a full laptop? A gaming laptop?Phone History (hopefully in order): Samsung SGH-D407 > AT&T (HTC) Tilt > Sony Ericsson W580 > Blackberry Curve 8900 > Sony Ericsson C901 > HTC Touch Pro 2 > Blackberry 9700 > iPhone 3GS > Motorola Defy > Blackberry 9650 > iPhone 4 > Nokia E71 > Dell Venue Pro > HTC Titan > HTC Titan II > Lumia 900 + Samsung Galaxy Exhibit > Nokia Lumia 920 + Nokia Lumia 521 + Motorola RAZR V3xx
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02-19-2013, 08:27 PM #7
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Surface Pro has become my primary PC. I use it on my desk in the office with a USB hub to connect my peripherals, and a Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter for my external monitor.
When I leave for a meeting or for the day, I throw it in my messenger back with the type cover attached and I'm off to the races.
The thing doesn't miss a beat.
At home, I have a wedge mouse and wedge keyboard setup if I need to do some heavy desktop action. If that's not on the agenda, I flip the type cover back, sit back on the couch, and relax as I surf the web using the raw speed of my Surface Pro.
It's got it all....
Using it straight on battery at home I've managed about 6 hours. If I am using it between charges and sleep, I can probably get it to last a day or more.
- 02-20-2013, 08:45 AM #8
Cut out the personal attacks please. I am not pointing any fingers, this is just a general warning.
- 02-20-2013, 09:02 AM #9
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- 02-20-2013, 09:42 AM #11
http://gizmodo.com/5985291/nvidia-titan-a-massive-gpu-that-might-be-unbeatable). I guarantee if you install 3 of these with a good i7 processor and 32GB of ram, you will never wait 48 hours for a scene to render. My current video rig has a single overclocked 680, LOTS of memory and SSDs and an overclocked i7 extreme processor and I think the longest I have had a scene take with multiple FX layers was a few hours.
Now I will say this, we just used my Pro to help with a 72 hour shoot and it was EXTREMELY helpful. I would never use this as my dedicated AE machine, but it was great for offloading and previewing the raw footage and for scene sequencing on the fly to see how something played out before moving on to the next location. The best thing was, by the time it got to the editor Monday night, most of the scenes were laid out in sequence for him, which saved a load of time.
I would like to see one of these with 16GB of ram and a 500GB SSD. I would pay the premium.
- 02-20-2013, 09:51 AM #14
- 02-20-2013, 10:05 AM #16
Thats the beauty of Windows, everyone has different needs and there is a more than likely a device that will meet those needs. Surface Pro, Sony Vaio Duo 11, Transformer Book, Sony T15 - take your pick, just like those of us who chose the Surface Pro and enjoy it. And this time next year it will be the Surface Pro 2 or something else so really there is always something better, so lets stop expecting the Surface Pro to be the be-all and end-all of personal computing devices.
- 02-20-2013, 10:07 AM #17
- 02-20-2013, 10:49 AM #18
@cameradork - Maybe they should make a Surface Dock that houses 3 Titans where the Surface just switches over when docked. The dock should have a bank of LI house batteries or car batteries, lol.
My initial statement about the battery was supposed to have a (j/k) after it, I guess I typed it in my head but not on the keyboard.
- 02-20-2013, 12:14 PM #19
- 02-20-2013, 12:25 PM #20
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02-20-2013, 02:51 PM #21
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more battery life is always a good thing, but just a year or 2 ago, we were happy to get maybe 2 hours out of a laptop of this level, at any size, and the world kept spinning.
My phone gets charged every night... its just the ruitine I have fallen into, so I expect a phone to last me 18+ hours on a charge.
laptop, maybe just because I have not yet been spoiled by a newer ultrabook with 8 hour battery life, but I expect to need to plug it in during the day when its convenient to do so. I have never found myself with a dead surface for lack of outlet access.
That's just me though.
02-20-2013, 04:02 PM #23
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