- 11-05-2012, 10:19 PM #27
face it, devs are taking a wait and see attitude with Win8. I knew that when I decided to get a Surface. That will however have an impact on my next phone purchase. If theres no significant apps release when WP8 goes on sale, I will either keep my iphone or get a S3. If I cant get the latest apps on my surface I should atleast have it on my phone.
- 11-06-2012, 07:05 AM #28
wait and see how much money they are going to lose? Listen, not getting your app on Windows 8 would have to be the dumbest move any developer made. I think Microsoft has made some serious flaws in the way they stock and promote apps in the Store.
I've NEVER heard of this new releases once a week crap people are saying. On Windows Phone, new apps come out all the time, and you see that through the various app trackers. There are simply NO new apps coming out and it is rather disturbing.
- 11-06-2012, 08:05 AM #29
11-06-2012, 08:44 AM #30
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Geez some people have no patience at all. It was known that the MS Store wouldnt have many apps. If apps is a big issue for some of you, stick with the other tablets. I knew from the start the MS Store will lack some apps that I enjoyed on other tablets, but since I'm a MS supporter, I have to patience and trust that MS Store will be populated with quality apps.
In the past week, there's been some new releases of apps. Maybe these are not the ones you wanted, but they're out there. One that everyone should check out is the The Daily Show, which is a NEW RELEASE. Great app if you like that show.
- 11-06-2012, 12:34 PM #31
- 11-06-2012, 01:20 PM #33
Even if you're a development shop with some spare capacity to take on the challenge of porting or rewriting your application for a new platform, why would you develop for WinRT when you can get access to a much larger customer base with iOS? Again, the fact that Windows 8 can run WinRT apps doesn't mean much if you're a development shop with existing Win32 apps, because any of those people that wants to buy your app can just run the Win32 version.
This situation may improve in a few years. But at the moment there aren't a whole lot of reasons to invest real time in a serious application, unless Microsoft is paying you.
- 11-06-2012, 01:35 PM #35
Why would I limit myself to writing an application that won't run on RT? I can write an RT app that runs on everything.
You have to move forward, even at a cost. When a client pays me to write a piece of software, I'm looking 2-3 years down the road and what's best for them. You take a risk at times, and hope it pays off. Playing it safe as a developer will let you pay the bills, and that's about it.
- 11-06-2012, 01:58 PM #37
Remember, Microsoft said the same things to developers when Windows first came out. Windows 1 sucked, and developers that bought in to Microsoft's line tended to go out of business. They said the same things when Windows 286 came out. It sucked, and developers that targeted it tended to go out of business. They said the same things when Windows 3 came out, but this time it didn't suck, and coincidentally Microsoft came out with Word and Excel for Windows. More recently, WPF was unusable for serious work until Microsoft used it to write Visual Studio, and suddenly it became acceptably fast and stable for serious apps.
WinRT is too new and unfinished, and the market just isn't there yet. It needs time to cook a bit.
- 11-06-2012, 02:02 PM #39
Windows Runtime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"WinRT applications will run within a sandbox. Examination of the runtime libraries reveals that they are built upon Win32 API"
listen, bottom line is you would be selling yourself short to not target all architectures with WinRT....and microsoft has made it clear they intend for win32 to die a quick and painless death. I would not be writing for dead-end APIs.
I see developers use the old line about "recouping" development costs and whatnot. I hear that one a lot when talking to devs about WP7 ports from iOS and Android. I don't know what hackney online b-school teaches that short sighted near term strategy BS, but if you aren't constantly evolving your software's business model with the next technology paradigm in mind you will find yourself without a market pretty quick. Do you remember any of those former GREAT WM6.5 app developers? I don't either, because they decided to "wait" to see if WP7 would take off and then suddenly found themselves without a customer base when Microsoft turned the lights out. The same thing is happening with Symbian developers right now.
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- 11-06-2012, 02:17 PM #40
- 11-06-2012, 02:34 PM #41
MS is going to make damn sure WinRT succeeds. 4 million people upgraded to Win8 over the launch weekend, no telling how many have since then. We don't know how many Surfaces have been sold, but we know certain SKUs are sold out. Windows Store is put front and center right in their face with apps at their fingertips. If you have a competitor with their app in the store, the are -bar none- getting better access to your potential customers than you are (even if you get a certified Desktop App link in store, they still have to jump out of store to get it and therefore a higher friction to sale). There is no way in **** I'd let my competitor have better access to 4+ million customers just because I don't want to write in WinRT.
- 11-06-2012, 02:50 PM #42
I don't know how many bought a surface, but it isn't hundreds of millions, which is the sort of number you need to for WinRT to start looking more attractive than iOS or Android, much less Windows Win32 API itself.
I could be wrong about all of this. Feel free to pick up Visual Studio and start working on some WinRT apps.
- 11-06-2012, 03:32 PM #43
- 11-06-2012, 03:51 PM #44