12-04-2012, 03:09 PM #76
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The Surface RT is an amazing piece of hardware, but if falls short on the software side. I had one from launch day, for just under two weeks, and ended up returning it. While I did use it daily, it was a frustrating experience because of the following issues:
- Slow performance in apps, including first part apps: Mail, People, Store.
- First party apps feel like half-baked, 0.1 versions, that have just "enough" features to qualify as "complete". They're sparse, and barley take advantage of the platforms UI features. A terrible demonstration of leading by example.
- Unreliable "Play-To" functionality: Brilliant when it worked, but it would drop randomly or refuse to recognize devices on the network at all, only way to fix it, reboot the Surface.
- XBox Music and Smartglass had buggy UIs, especially in regards to the lower swipe based bar.
- Smartglass connection dropping while multitasking between apps.
- IE10 reloads a page whenever you hit back.... this is extremely annoying. It's got memory, use it..
What really bothered me at the end of it all, was my first generation iPad had better performance and reliability using Smartglass than the Surface did. That's just embarrassing.
- 12-04-2012, 03:13 PM #77
RDP is my main use for the Surface RT right now. Prior to this, I ran a VNC server on my machines I needed access to, and a client on my iPad. It's so nice now to use the Surface with remote desktop. The mouse alone makes it worth while.
And I'm with you on the TWC app. I still reach for my iPad a lot, and the TWC app is one of the reasons why. Hopefully they come up with a solution.
- 12-04-2012, 03:23 PM #78
I returned not because I didn't love it, because I did. I owned an IPAD 1,3 and thought the Surface blew it out of the water. My main concern was the support from MS. The sales I believe are poor because MS is so misguided. I wish they sold it in more places then just their stores and website, and they really need to either lower the price or add the keyboard free. If they do these two things it will sell. Now I'm just waiting to see what MS does with the Surface or wait for the Surface 2. I have no intention of getting the Pro. Don't need it.
- 12-04-2012, 07:14 PM #79
And you're concerned because of lackluster sales, but didn't you just return yours!!?? Sorry, that's kind of hypocritical. I mean no offense to you, so don't take this post the wrong way. But I just don't understand your reasoning.
- 12-04-2012, 08:10 PM #81
Simple. If it doesn't sell developers aren't going to develop and it will die and I'm stuck with a brick. I'd rather wait it out and see what happens first. I honestly don't think MS is doing the RT right by any means. Until that changes I don't trust their business model for this. I'd be happy to buy it back if things change. Again, drop the price and make it more widely available.
- 12-04-2012, 09:24 PM #82
- 12-04-2012, 09:47 PM #83
So funny you mention the BB Playbook. I was sitting next to someone on the train today using one with his BB. I didn't know what the **** it was at first then I saw the BB symbol. It's the first I've seen in the wild.
- 12-04-2012, 10:34 PM #84
- 12-05-2012, 02:03 AM #85
There's a few problems I see right now.
1. All of the x86 tablets that are priced around the same as the RT work nicely if used like you would use a Netbook or ARM tablet: as media devices, and stay away from heavy applications like Photoshop etc. The reviews I've read so far have remarked that they're pretty zippy if you stay mostly in the Modern UI but performance drops in desktop mode. Because of this, I've decided that if I'm going to buy a x86, then I'm going to move up to the $1000+ range get an Ivy Bridge or higher CPU, and use it like a laptop. There comes a point where a tablet crosses that threshold of being to large and unwieldy to use as a handheld touchscreen, and the ones currently available in x86 all appear to have crossed that threshold. Someone remarked that Clover Trail are hot on ARM's heels. Yes they are, BUT they're still not there right now.
2. This leads me to my second conundrum: If and when Clover Trail does totally surpass ARM and allows for RT sized tablets AND zippier performance in desktop mode AND comes in at a price point of around $700+ then I can see that happening in about... 1 year. Leaving me with an RT only one year old that I paid the same for as I could buy a x86 tablet that's evolved past all those shortcomings. That's the risk of being an early adopter. I do NOT want to be like one of those guys who paid $700 for a Blackberry Playbook. I bought my Playbook for $200 just 9 months after it was launched.
That's my honest opinion of the RT. I think Clover Trail chips are going to completely overtake it in about 1 year, along with x86 tablets for the same price range. If that doesn't concern you, then I will say I think the device itself is great. I just think it's only going to remain that way for about a year when compared to its full Windows 8 x86 cousins by then.
- 12-05-2012, 06:26 AM #86
This is a new product. MS isn't Apple. They can't slap their symbol on it and it will sell on-line. I believe people have to see it live and touch it to become believers. Apple does a ton of biz on their site MS does not. I don't get MS strategy of this type of sales? Or the simple fact they have room to drop the price 100 bucks. Isn't sales more important then profit at this point? ****, if they want it to sell for the Holidays drop the price $150 or at the very least give the keyboard away for free with a purchase. This isn't rocket science....
12-05-2012, 12:23 PM #87
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Ordered one yesterday as a Christimas gift for my wife. Expecting to get it tomorrow afternoon. I'll post as soon as we try it for a few hours. The biggest concern has always been - Is it enough to do everything I need and replace my laptop? My wife chats with her friends using windows live messenger and facebook chat, surfs the internet, internet streaming, and occasionally uses MS office, I am hoping Windows RT Surface is enough.
- 12-06-2012, 11:49 PM #89
Putting mine up on Ebay this weekend. I was going to keep it, but I find myself not using it even though I take it with me every day. When I'm home I'm back on my ipad.
I don't even think my kids will use it over the ipad1.
- 12-07-2012, 12:52 AM #90
- 12-07-2012, 10:49 AM #92
I'm letting mine go for $450.00. It's the 32GB + Touch cover. I think that's all I'm going to get out of it this time of year, but I want to get it sold in case the price drops at some point in the near future.
- 12-07-2012, 10:56 AM #93
the top tier apps are now coming in at a faster pace, and pretty soon I will have no reason to go back to my desktop. If the December update is as good as the November update, this thing will only get better. Microsoft isn't even using all the features of the Tegra3 yet, but when they do, battery life could be as good as the iPad.
- 12-07-2012, 12:00 PM #95
But I didn't understand your reasoning, and you explained it. My apologies for the crude response in that post.
I'll but anything if you slap a "new" sticker on it. I did really want the Surface RT, and I had a client that wanted an app to use in the field, so I needed something for testing. And I still think it's a great tablet, but I need the ability the run a few legacy apps so I'm planning on the Surface Pro.
- 12-08-2012, 01:56 PM #97
Okay so I'm about to put this thing up on Ebay and my wife tells me not to. She says the kids can you it for school work and we can get rid of that old bulky laptop. LOL guess I'm keeping it. I have a old gateway usb keyboard they can use for typing long papers if they don't like the touchpad.
- 12-09-2012, 01:47 AM #98
Running Remote Apps from your home computer onto the Surface through Kim Knight's RemoteApp tool makes this thing a legit laptop replacement. I was thinking of returning and going with the pro....but I have full access and remote control of anything on my desktop computer at home wherever I go. Not having to use a 3rd party app, like logmein, or teamviewer speeds up the remote control immensely, and really only lags when your doing something dynamic like 3d stuff...just don't try to play a video, copy it to your local drive first.
MS should really advertise this feature if they want to sell this thing. I showed a few of my friends what this thing does, they went out and bought themselves one too.
- 12-09-2012, 03:04 AM #99
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