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  1. John Balacano's Avatar
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    if surface rt 2 is priced at $499 will you buy it well in my terms I'm totally will not buy it considering if the type covers are not included or any accessory included (btw this pricing is still a rumor)
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    RT is dead, even Microsoft admits it.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/20/t...on-arm-future/

    So no, never. The next Atom generation is arriving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chregu View Post
    RT is dead, even Microsoft admits it.

    Microsoft sees future for ARM-based tablets, but maybe not Windows RT

    So no, never. The next Atom generation is arriving.
    yeah because the "via" of that article which is Neowin totally states that Windows RT is dead /s...

    That's just a sensationalist title to get clicks, and nothing in that article or Neowin one (which has more information) says anything about RT is dead....

    WIndows on ARM = Windows RT... maybe they wont use that name but they want to unify the platforms, you know, bring Wp8 to Windows 8/RT not the other way around.

    please next time read what you link and not only the title of an article... especially from a pathetic site like engadget.

    do you understand what "unification" is at least? apparently you do, but that's totally far from "RT dead" when WP8 has a lot of WinRT elements.
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    Engadget is not a very credible source for Microsoft news. I'd probably rather get my tech reviews/tech news from 5 year old.
    Last edited by eric12341; 09-22-2013 at 12:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Emi_ View Post
    WIndows on ARM = Windows RT... maybe they wont use that name but they want to unify the platforms, you know, bring Wp8 to Windows 8/RT not the other way around.

    please next time learn how to read what you link and not only the title of an article... especially from a pathetic site like engadget.

    do you understand what "unification" is at least? apparently you do, but that's totally far from "RT dead" when WP8 has a lot of WinRT elements.


    Fact is: The Surface RT was a major flop. Fact is: Most manufacturers don't touch Windows RT anymore. Fact is: Market share of Windows RT is negligible. My opinion based on two Windows 8 devices I own: When Windows 8 apps are available, they are bad. Much, much worse than Windows Phone apps.

    Now don't get me wrong, I don't say Windows RT is a bad product, and I'm happy for everybody who is satisfied with it. But it was a desperate attempt of Microsoft to sell tablets. They never had a chance. Windows RT is dead in its current state, and I think this for two reasons: There are very cheap (full) Windows 8 tablets and with the new Atom generation ARM will most likely not be necessary anymore in the higher price classes. And I do believe in Windows 8 tablets.

    The next step, unification of Windows RT and Windows Phone is really necessary. It would bring Windows Phone to an entire new level and open the possibility of "phablets" and smaller tablets to be a success. But this won't be Windows RT in the current form.



    And also: I'm using Windows Phone since the switch from Windows Mobile, and I owned Windows Mobile devices for years before. I also have 3 Windows computers, two of them with Windows 8. And I still really like Engadget, I don't see the problem you might have with this homepage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chregu View Post
    RT is dead, even Microsoft admits it.

    Microsoft sees future for ARM-based tablets, but maybe not Windows RT

    So no, never. The next Atom generation is arriving.
    Microsoft commits to 'many more' Windows RT tablets | PCWorld

    Microsoft: Phablets are Windows RT's future | ZDNet

    "Will it always be the case that a five-inch phone must run an operating system called 'Windows Phone OS'? Or could it run something called 'Windows RT'? (Or vice versa?) What if the Windows Phone OS and Windows RT both evolve so they become, for all intents and purposes, one OS that can run on mobile devices without a desktop?"For those who thought Microsoft should have made Windows 8 more of a true desktop/laptop OS that wasn't optimized for touch tablets, and made the Windows Phone OS the operating system for touch-tablet devices, this kind of phone OS/RT convergence might be a belated dream come true.... "
    So, yes, Windows RT will change. It is much more likely that Windows Phone will come up to reach RT instead of RT lowering to reach phone.

    http://winsupersite.com/windows-rt/surface-2-details-emerge

    Paul is actually a pretty good source, all things considered.
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    Let's try to keep the personal barbs against each other and other off topic banter to a minimum of zero, next post that I or either another moderator has to delete or edit will be receiving points
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    I have a Surface RT and love it. It is a bit underpowered though.

    I do think RT is going to struggle with OEMs. Microsoft will do well with it in Surface 2, especially if they push it to schools and college kids. I can't even imagine how much easier my college life would have been with a Surface RT. But OEMs seem pretty convinced of using 64 bit Windows tablets and they can even make them cheap. I think those devices are replacing what used to be the cheap netbooks.

    However, OEMs biggest issue is build quality. I am sick and tired of seeing cheap, ugly Windows devices. People expect Apple like quality hardware now. They need to match that whether it be RT or 8.
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    I'm going to sell my rt and get the surface 2. I think rt is great and they will succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeVuPlay View Post
    I'm going to sell my rt and get the surface 2. I think rt is great and they will succeed.
    I won't be selling my RT, overall I'm really happy with my SurfaceRT, so I can wait for whatever the Surface 3 is. I have my dev laptop, the Surface Pro sounds good in theory but I like the lightness, low heat and battery life of the RT. I thought non-game XBox apps are/were going to be RT apps? It looks like Microsoft is playing the long game (possibly for lack of any other strategy) in RT and an app centric future. My only hope is that we either get Firefox on RT or the Cloud9 IDE starts supporting IE.
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    I'm going to sell my Surface RT which I have for a few weeks now and get a Surface RT 2. But *only* if the price gets a little bit lower than $499 or the Type cover is included for $499.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbigelow View Post
    I won't be selling my RT, overall I'm really happy with my SurfaceRT, so I can wait for whatever the Surface 3 is. I have my dev laptop, the Surface Pro sounds good in theory but I like the lightness, low heat and battery life of the RT. I thought non-game XBox apps are/were going to be RT apps? It looks like Microsoft is playing the long game (possibly for lack of any other strategy) in RT and an app centric future. My only hope is that we either get Firefox on RT or the Cloud9 IDE starts supporting IE.
    Firefox on RT would make the Surface rock even more IMHO. Can't wait for Firefox!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Balacano View Post
    if surface rt 2 is priced at $499 will you buy it...
    I love my Surface RT, but the Surface 2 needs (must?) to be priced at $349 or lower if it's to gain any market share. $499 doesn't cut it.
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    I will buy it at any price. My first Surface RT I consider the greatest investment of my life, and I completely 100% trust this one will be even better!
    Phones: Nokia Lumia Icon, Nokia Lumia 928, HTC Windows Phone 8x, HTC Trophy
    PMP: Zune HD 32, Zune 80, Zune 4, Zune 30
    Tablet: Surface 2, Surface for Windows RT
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    If the RT2 is priced at 499$ it will fail! End of story!

    What I mean is that, and mind you I sell computers and now sell the surface all of the time, the problem with the surface RT wasn't windows RT, it was the price. There pretty much aren't tablets (the exception being windows 8 tablets), that are priced at the same price as the Apple ipad. Best example is the new galaxy tab 3 10.1, there is a reason samsung made it 399$: If it isn't apple, you can't charge apple prices unless it does so much more and is really better in almost every way...

    What I mean by this is the surface RT in many ways was not better than the ipad: Even though the surface RT can do office, has a kickstand, full USB port, expandable memory, it still didn't match up to the ipad in a couple of ways: Battery life (ipad still got like 1 more hour, no big deal though), Screen (this was the big one, I still haven't seen a tablet with a screen as nice as the retina), and app catalog. The rumors on the surface RT 2 is that its supposed to have a tegra 4 and a 1080p screen. If they can put this together in a package for 399$ I think it will be a real winner.
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    I will wait for reviews before considering buying it at 500 bucks. The thing that kept me from picking up an RT was it was under powered (views for some). The one thing I can't stand on ANY device is lag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vistaus View Post
    Firefox on RT would make the Surface rock even more IMHO. Can't wait for Firefox!
    Firefox on RT isn't happening.
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    Microsoft blocked everything on RT required to make it happen. What you've been hearing about is a true windows 8 version with metro support, but its still a desktop app instead of a metro app. It just so happens that if you have a desktop app as your default browser it can also be a metro browser as well. Personally I think its dumb that microsoft did this, but anyway that's the deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vistaus View Post
    Firefox on RT would make the Surface rock even more IMHO. Can't wait for Firefox!
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    $500 is automatic fail. Personally I don't like tablets. Ignoring that fact, you don't really want desktop apps on a tablet which means that RT is fine. However not everyone agrees and a lot of people want the full windows experience for some reason. The only way it would sell enough is to be pro with either an Intel or AMD chip.

    If they could pull it off for $300 or so, I think it could be ok.
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    It's $450. However it does appear to have a lot of upgrades. 1080p, 3-4x faster, USB3.0, better camera, thinner, lighter, 25% more battery life, one year of skype premium, and 200gb of skydrive for two years. Oh and the new two-stage kickstand where it lays down flatter for better viewing. Honestly, I use my Surface RT for hours every day from the table, couch, etc. So it's hard for me to argue it's worth less. However at $450 I don't think it will move in the market like they need it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldpueblo View Post
    It's $450. However it does appear to have a lot of upgrades. 1080p, 3-4x faster, USB3.0, better camera, thinner, lighter, 25% more battery life, one year of skype premium, and 200gb of skydrive for two years. Oh and the new two-stage kickstand where it lays down flatter for better viewing. Honestly, I use my Surface RT for hours every day from the table, couch, etc. So it's hard for me to argue it's worth less. However at $450 I don't think it will move in the market like they need it to.
    I don't know if it's that bad.
    Many people became interested in the RT at $349. Still others were rabidly interested in the factory refurb bundles for $199. Many of my acquaintances are ready to pounce on a $249 refurb bundle (if there's another wave) after checking out the RT bundle that I picked up for $199. They had no idea that the RT was "practically a full Windows PC". For them, running legacy apps was not an issue. For what they currently use their home computers for they could do it all on an RT.

    The timing and pricing for the RT 2 is about right. Keeping the RT 1 at $349 will probably help sell the RT 2. All of those improvements for only $100 more? It's a no-brainer. So from that perspective, the RT 1 will help scaffold the RT 2 price.

    Plus, there's a full month, month and a half, before the holiday shopping season kicks in. I can see Microsoft offering some Black Friday deals. RT1 Black Friday door-buster for $100 anyone?

    The biggest challenge for Microsoft IMO is to get media coverage... encouraging coverage would be nice, but heck even neutral coverage would be better than the distorted coverage of the Surface line up to the point of the RT price drop.
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    When I heard the rumored $500 price tag, I was thinking that it might have been leaked so that when the real, lower price was announced it would be a welcome surprise. Now seeing the real price is lower, I wonder if that's what happened.

    I just got one of the cheap RT bundles, otherwise I would be seriously considering the Surface 2.
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    i own a surface rt and a surface pro. love'em. the surface rt is under-powered, but i can deal w/ that. the surface pro has poor battery life compared other tablets even though it's more of a laptop than a tablet. still ,i love them both. having said that, my feeling is that surface 2 at $500 (450 plus taxes will makes this about $500 purchase) will fail. will it be $620 or so w/ a keyboard? if you want a memory bump, that's probably another $100 at least.

    it's just too much and i'm rather irritated that microsoft didn't learn much from the pricing of the first surface. i think surface 2 should be $400 w/ a touch cover. the bump should be no more that $125. if the margins are too thin w/ that pricing, then maybe focus on gaining a foothold in the market. get the thin into the hands of consumers so more developers will offers more apps. then figure out how to make the tablet profitable or more profitable. surface pro 2 is that same. should be no more than $700 w/ a cover.

    maybe i'll be proven wrong. i hope so, because i love the hardware and the software and want to see it grow. i'm upset that microsoft appears intent on killing the platform through poor marketing and pricing.
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    The price does seem like a bit much, but only when compared to tablets which have questionable quality and almost no support. It's still a good value compared to iPads if the available apps meet your needs.

    I'm glad Microsoft is keeping the Surface a premium product. There is plenty of low-end stuff on the way from Asus and Acer to fill in the bottom.

    I still hate that the accessories are so dearly overpriced. There is no excuse for the Touch and Type keyboards to cost more than $50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prlundberg View Post
    The price does seem like a bit much, but only when compared to tablets which have questionable quality and almost no support. It's still a good value compared to iPads
    i agree which is why i own a pro and an rt, BUT convincing millions of people of this is unlikely at this price point, imo. i don't like apple products, but i have to say that they obviously know what they are doing. i really think microsoft should compete underselling the surface in terms of cost in hopes that they can gain a foothold in the market. w/ the losses they took w/ the surface rt, had they planned on that, they probably could have sold the rt for $250 w/ a cover. they could have moved a bunch of units and people would have been willing to overlook a bit of sluggishness and a lack of apps. w/ the surface 2 they could have then really improved the device and moved the price up a little. by surface 3, perhaps you're a legit alternative to ipads. at nearly $600 after taxes and w/ a cover, this will just be a marginal success over the rt. whoever is coming up w/ the sales strategy re: pricing should be let go. they're going to ruin the surface unless their strategy is to not move a lot of these and just hope that a future model will just make people flock to the device.

    having said that, i'll likely move to a surface 2, because i think it's a great product. hopefully microsoft can convince a couple million others.
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