- 07-09-2013, 01:01 AM #1
I know you've seen it. People on here complain about it. Reviewers, users, lovers, haters, all seem to agree that Windows Phone needs 1080p screens and quad core processors. In short, some specs mean a heck of a lot more than others. Processors are rarely the bottleneck and my Focus S super amoled+ Screen with less than 220 ppi looks better than the screen on the Sammy GS 4. I feel like I'm in the minority when I make my demands, but here they are:
I demand more RAM
I demand faster read/write speeds from the storage
I demand a larger battery
More RAM brings more capabilities to the phone. More processing power (dual core to quad core) doesn't. If the rumors are true and the EOS/1020 comes with 2 GB of RAM, I'd say that is easily the biggest step forward for Windows Phone. Far bigger deal than a 41mp camera, a quad core processor, or a full HD screen. Honestly, I don't know anything "Droid Does" that couldn't be done on a Windows Phone with 2 gigs of RAM.
tl;dr version: RAM matters more than processing speed and screen resolution at this point.
- 07-09-2013, 01:06 AM #2
I think most people don't care about RAM. Only the writers do and techies like me. Personally I think live tiles an awesome ux and a high end camera will be more than enough to sell people.
- 07-09-2013, 01:09 AM #4
I think that's a problem though. People care too much about things that aren't needed at this time like quad core. An underpowered processor still runs processes, too little RAM and you can't run the process at all.
- 07-09-2013, 01:52 AM #6
Ram isn't the issue. Although I agree more would be better.
Badly coded apps and games are the issue.
However everyone can't be coding bad apps and games that require 1gb of ram. Complex situation.
- 07-09-2013, 07:02 AM #8
Not a developer so I don't know if much of the blame could be directed to WP tools or similar. WP is still better at this than Android, probably because MS seems to have limited WP8 to 2 SoC's so far.
- 07-09-2013, 08:37 AM #9
WP8 came along, and most developers just do lazy ports to WP8, because of the much smaller market. Its no different to early Android, which was forever suffering a similar fate.
That's why 2GB of ram scares me. Great for the top devices, but lazy developers will just start targetting the higher spec units, and all the existing phones will start to suffer :(
- 07-09-2013, 12:21 PM #12
Remember, the iPhone uses PowerVR chipsets as it's GPU. Just about every same generation Adreno is underpowered in comparison. I'm sure this is why RAM limitations play a bigger factor in Windows Phones than in iOS, even though iPhone 5 has more RAM than it's predecessors.
- 07-09-2013, 10:58 PM #13
- 07-10-2013, 01:43 AM #14
here. Basically, if you want that extra RAM to actually have an affect, then you need to change a lot of other OS level functions along with it.
Additionally, it would be far more beneficial to raise the low-end from 512 MB to 1 GB, than it would be to raise the high-end from 1 GB to 2 GB. Why? Because all apps specifically written for WP are targeted to run well on 512 MB devices. There is practically no benefit to be had from running such apps on devices with more RAM. Raising the low-end however, that changes what WP developers actually target, which is much more likely to make a noticeable difference.
Just to be clear. I'm definitely not saying more RAM is a bad idea. I'm just trying to add some background knowledge and show that there is more to it than just calling for more RAM. Basically, I'd want to know more about everything affected before putting my vote behind it.
Finally, if forced to choose, I'd much rather get lower latency RAM and higher bandwidth RAM, before getting more RAM. Particularly because the RAM in our smartphones also serves as shared video memory, for which it is painfully slow.
Completely agree with your other two points, so I'll join your minority group.
Games that are ported from Android or iOS aren't targeted at any specific hardware configuration. They are just converted as quickly as possible and whatever amount of RAM they end up using defines the minimal requirements. If developers are required to put in a lot of work to reduce the memory footprint, then it's usually not worth the cost, in which case those ports end up running only on 1 GB devices.
That is completely different from software built specifically for WP. The 1GHz / 512 MB models represent the vast majority of all WP devices on the market. Because developers want access to the largest possible user base, practically all WP apps are specifically targeted at these lower-end devices. So, at least for apps that were specifically written for WP, you need not fear the lazy-developer/2GB scenario you described.
- 07-10-2013, 11:50 AM #18
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- 07-10-2013, 12:55 PM #21
For all I know, the 2 GB limit could just be a false rumour, but if it isn't, then the camera has something to do with it.
P.S. The image processor on the 808 certainly has its own generous helping of dedicated memory. Only when it was done would it transfer the results to those 512 MB of system RAM.
- 07-10-2013, 01:00 PM #22
I think this is supposed to be a new Flagship device until 8.1 so they are putting enough RAM to match the high end Androids. Heck, even Blackberry has 2 GB devices. If anything, it looks a lot better on the spec sheet.
- 07-10-2013, 01:18 PM #23
- 07-10-2013, 06:17 PM #24
Not worthy of it's own thread, but I found it interesting that Gorilla Glass 3 is being used. I think the 925 and 928 screens are Gorilla Glass 2 making me believe this is the first Windows Phone with Corning's current most advanced glass.
07-10-2013, 06:37 PM #25
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