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    I've been reading the so-called "concerns" on this thread, and all it did was to make me shake my head.

    Let me point out some things:
    • It was Microsoft's idea to make Nokia Maps the default maps software, not Nokia's. They've somehow found Nokia Maps a better option, so that's what they did.
    • Nokia Maps is and forever will be WP8's default maps, even on non-Nokia phones. The guy from the HERE team said that they are dealing with the problem of the other apps opening on Bing Maps, which only means that they are going to get rid of any trace of Bing Maps on WP8. Deal with it.
    • I've found Nokia Maps to be a sufficient experience. And I live in the Philippines, which should technically not be a priority for the makers of Nokia Maps, but somehow it is. I just wish there were more places listed on Local Scout.


    So there. Call me a Nokia apologist all you want, but I'm just telling the truth.
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    So you know what I did yesterday? I completely "uninstalled" Nokia Maps. I said to **** with it. I don't like it, I don't use it, and I won't miss it.

    You know what happened? Nothing of consequence. When I click an address from a page or email or appointment, the maps app loads, I still click Directions, and I still click "Drive". I can also still open Drive directly and enter my destination from there. I can also Bing Search for a location and click "Drive" right from the location listing.

    Brilliant. Simple. Fast... the way it's meant to be. F*** Nokia Maps. :)
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  3. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by PBNkapamilya View Post
    I've been reading the so-called "concerns" on this thread, and all it did was to make me shake my head.

    Let me point out some things:
    • I've found Nokia Maps to be a sufficient experience. And I live in the Philippines, which should technically not be a priority for the makers of Nokia Maps, but somehow it is. I just wish there were more places listed on Local Scout.


    So there. Call me a Nokia apologist all you want, but I'm just telling the truth.
    I agree completely. It's a good solution, it's just redundant for a lot of us... and having Maps and Drive is kinda confusing to people. Personally, I feel like Drive should just be the default app and Maps can go away... oh wait, it can (see my other post above this one). :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by muhan View Post
    I understand perfectly well the difference between Windows Phone Maps which you call Bing maps and Nokia Maps. I understand that Nokia provides the "data" for both. Yet I get different search results for queries from within the 2 maps. I get local traffic info on Windows Phone Maps where on Nokia maps, I only get highway traffic. There are many other differences which I pointed out in the original post which you ignore.

    Instead of being a Nokia apologist, maybe we can get Nokia to improve their Maps app?
    I agree. The people in this thread are trying to make you seem like a fool. While the default maps app and the Nokia maps app use the same data the look and feel, speed, and results are different. It doesn't make sense for the default map app to be hidden on the 920.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwalker84 View Post
    I agree. The people in this thread are trying to make you seem like a fool. While the default maps app and the Nokia maps app use the same data the look and feel, speed, and results are different. It doesn't make sense for the default map app to be hidden on the 920.
    as mentioned before, the default app is "hidden" on all wp8 devices. This is a conscious effort by MS to transition into Nokia maps for the platform.
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    Simple fix for Nokia.... Stop development of the Nokia Maps app. Continue to provide the mapping data for the default map app as Microsoft is much better at UI's and strangely at using your own data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthereef View Post
    as mentioned before, the default app is "hidden" on all wp8 devices. This is a conscious effort by MS to transition into Nokia maps for the platform.
    No its not. Pick up a 8X and its the same map UI as before. Just powered by Nokia data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwalker84 View Post
    No its not. Pick up a 8X and its the same map UI as before. Just powered by Nokia data.
    I agree, not sure where he got that information from...</scratches head>

    I simple browse of HTC WP8 products would show that the this viewpoint is not correct. As a matter of fact, Nokia is supposed to be working with other 3rd party OEM to get Nokia Drive on their HARDWARE




    As other have mentioned, having the same back-end engine/services doesn't mean the presentation layer/UI will behave the same. There could be inefficiency in how you display the same information to the user as well as user experience.

    Experiment using the web based versions of Bing & Nokia( Here )
    Using the same engine. Driving from Ohio Buckeye Stadium to Cleveland Browns Stadium

    start: 411 Woody Hayes Dr, Columbus, OH 43210
    end: 100 Alfred Lerner Way, Cleveland, OH 44114

    Using Nokia/Here 11 steps vs Using Bing Maps 14 steps!!

    Now here is where it gets interesting as they both use the same mapping data!!
    Bing Maps puts a note at the end of the directions that says:
    "If you reach Erie Side Ave, you've gone too far"


    The Nokia Maps just drops you off at Erie Side Ave!!! So you see that even if you have the same data points the maps could be different. Heck, even looking at the experiment I question if the presentation layer is the only difference.

    I am not saying which mapping service is better but just wanted to highlight that there are differences even when using the same mapping data points. So...a person could have a solid basis for saying Bing Maps is better than Nokia Maps, or Nokia Maps are better than Bing Maps

    Also map fine tuning might be better in non-us places for Nokia services...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwalker84 View Post
    No its not. Pick up a 8X and its the same map UI as before. Just powered by Nokia data.
    There is a Bing Maps app that you can load? My understanding is that in WP8 there is not. You can GET TO the Bing maps (the same way you can on a Nokia device) but cannot load the app by itself. Is this not true?

    EDIT: I guess I stand corrected. Apologies. For those wondering where I got this, articles like this one as well as this one are a bit misleading. I thought I remembered MS announcing that Nokia Maps is where they are going from here-on out as well. Perhaps they were just talking about the backend? Or maybe this will be replaced fully in future WP8 builds? I have done a lot of reading, but only played with an 8x for about ten minutes a couple of days before the Lumia launch. Apologies, again, for the misinformation.
    Last edited by lordofthereef; 11-17-2012 at 12:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthereef View Post
    ...For those wondering where I got this, articles like this one as well as this one are a bit misleading....
    You are right!! I would say terribly misleading....even Nokia official blog left the user with the impression that Nokia Maps/Drive would be available to every WP8 user/OEM.

    They forgot to mention a little minor detail about licensing $$ for OEMs and having Nokia branded across the map. I liken it me listing my phone on craiglist for free...as long as you are willing to donate $300
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    This is very concerning! I am interested in the Nokia Lumia 920 for the camera and Nokia apps...but the camera has daylight issues and Nokia maps sounds slow and inferior. Perhaps this is why Microsoft called the HTC 8X a "signature" windows phone.

    I hope Nokia fixes these things soon...I never thought I would consider another WP8 oem other than nokia.
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    I posted another thread about this, before I came across this thread. I just hope Nokia Maps/Drive content gets updated, because my wife refuses to use those apps on her 900 and sticks with Bing maps for her work. Search has failed her one too many times here in Las Vegas. I guess all we can do is hope that MS or Nokia updates whatever maps they force on us, soon. There are people out there that rely on their phone's GPS every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaap View Post
    I posted another thread about this, before I came across this thread. I just hope Nokia Maps/Drive content gets updated, because my wife refuses to use those apps on her 900 and sticks with Bing maps for her work. Search has failed her one too many times. I guess all we can do is hope that MS or Nokia updates whatever maps they force on us, soon. There are people out there that rely on their phone's GPS every day.
    Nokia and iPhone users in the same boat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthereef View Post
    Nokia and iPhone users in the same boat!
    Is that iPhone's problem? I mean with Nokia, at least if you know the physical address, it will get you there in one piece. It's the business' name listing that is pretty incomplete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete C View Post
    Lets not confuse the app with the actual mapping engine. It doesn't matter if you click an address from Bing search results or the People hub, you are looking at Nokia maps...not the old Bing Maps. Both Nokia Maps and the internal maps app are using Nokia's mapping engine and downloadable maps.
    I don't think this is true. I was searching for a certain business and Nokia Drive and Maps did not give me results. But when I used Bing (the dedicated search button), it returned a result in Bing maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaap View Post
    Is that iPhone's problem? I mean with Nokia, at least if you know the physical address, it will get you there in one piece. It's the business' name listing that is pretty incomplete.
    it was... Just and observation is all. :)
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    Agree with the OP in at least one area: the search results I get with Nokia maps is TERRIBLE. Look for any number of restaurants and I end up in BF Japan, or China, or Europe. Bing search gets it right. Google search gets it right. Why the Eff can't Nokia?!?!??
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    I think you guys need to separate the map from the Point of Interest database. I have seen no issues with Nokia Maps, I am in Los Angeles like the OP. I have, however found that Nokia's POI database is not nearly as detailed as Microsoft's. It is semi-understandable because Nokia hasn't had a huge presence here in the US. It is also something that shouldn't be terribly difficult to fix,
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBNkapamilya View Post
    I've been reading the so-called "concerns" on this thread, and all it did was to make me shake my head.

    Let me point out some things:
    • It was Microsoft's idea to make Nokia Maps the default maps software, not Nokia's. They've somehow found Nokia Maps a better option, so that's what they did.
    • Nokia Maps is and forever will be WP8's default maps, even on non-Nokia phones. The guy from the HERE team said that they are dealing with the problem of the other apps opening on Bing Maps, which only means that they are going to get rid of any trace of Bing Maps on WP8. Deal with it.
    • I've found Nokia Maps to be a sufficient experience. And I live in the Philippines, which should technically not be a priority for the makers of Nokia Maps, but somehow it is. I just wish there were more places listed on Local Scout.


    So there. Call me a Nokia apologist all you want, but I'm just telling the truth.

    All you've really pointed out is your lack of knowledge of the facts.

    Your facts are wrong, which leads you to make bad conclusions and worthless opinions. Let me clear up some of your factually incorrect statements.

    Nokis Maps is only the default map app on Nokia devices. Look at this review of the HTC 8X (HTC Windows Phone 8X - reviews - Mobile Phones - Smart Phones - PC World Australia) and 2/3rds of the way down, you'll see a screenshot of the default maps app, which is Windows Phone Maps.

    I'm guessing you are confused by the fact that Nokia supplies the DATA for all Windows Phone devices. As this post and many others have shown, the same data still leads to different search results, directions, points of interests etc between the 2 apps with Windows Phone Maps coming out much better, at least in the USA. There are UI issues of Nokia maps which makes it bad no matter what country you're in.

    So your first two points are just wrong.

    The third point you make which is just a pure opinion that Nokia Maps is "sufficient" is just that, your opinion. My own opinion is that rather than the "sufficient" Nokia Maps, I'd rather have the better than sufficient Windows Phone Maps app. However, Nokia, not Microsoft, has made it harder to access Windows Phone Maps by removing it from the apps list.
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    Sometimes, we need to step back in order to move forward.
    I have faith in Nokia and I believe Nokia Maps + its other location-based services will improve & gets better with time.
    The reason being that if Nokia location-based services is crappy, they wouldn't have rebranded it to HERE & confidently open it to other platforms.
    It will be suicidal for them to do otherwise.
    Unlike Apple Maps where Tim Cook is even asking their iPhone fans to try their competitors mapping services to compensate for their "sucker-grade" mapping app. That's an act of desperation & arrogance.
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    I asked Nokia about the POI problem on twitter and they suggested they would have a tool soon for people to add stuff. We'll see
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinleck View Post
    Sometimes, we need to step back in order to move forward.
    I have faith in Nokia and I believe Nokia Maps + its other location-based services will improve & gets better with time.
    The reason being that if Nokia location-based services is crappy, they wouldn't have rebranded it to HERE & confidently open it to other platforms.
    It will be suicidal for them to do otherwise.
    Unlike Apple Maps where Tim Cook is even asking their iPhone fans to try their competitors mapping services to compensate for their "sucker-grade" mapping app. That's an act of desperation & arrogance.
    My biggest issue with Nokia is that they know Nokia maps is bad is the US, yet they decided to remove Windows phone maps from the app list. Maybe Nokia maps will improve, but that will take years and by that time i will have moved on to another phone. Theyve selfishly put their busines interests ahead of their customers and that is a bad long term strategy.
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    I have 2 main complaints about Nokia maps:

    1. It's sluggish. Zooming out even a little and panning is laggy.
    2. I live in NYC and the app doesn't show which subway lines stop at each station! This is vital! It just shows a little icon for each station, that's it.
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    They could always merge there data with Microsoft's data. That would solve a lot of problems.
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    I've also have not been happy with Nokia Maps in MA/NH USA. However there is a really nice trick to get a shortcut to Bing maps on your start screen.

    1. Open IE, got to Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions
    2. You'll see Bing maps open. Push the back button, you'll see a white screen
    3. Select "pin to start"

    Apologies if this has already been noted somewhere on this thread. I read this somewhere when I first got my 920 but can't remember where.
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