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    I am a developer and unless you make a smash hit app, then it's barely worth the time and the effort.

    I know a man who spent 6 month writing a game for the iPad, made $153 in the next 4 months.

    For my apps, for each paid version, 100+ people pirated it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giddora View Post
    Please don't take this post as Another "You are wrong because you're not a true WP-lover stupid fandroid-dude"-post which unfortunately is overwhelming these forums as of late. But here's my 5 cents.

    1. Get rid of your Google-services. I know it's hard, but after a year of hard work, the only Google-service I still use in private is Youtube.

    That would make your list:

    Dropbox - Skydrive is better in 99% of the cases.
    Sonos - Sorry, I don't use Sonos so I have no alternative for you here.
    Spotify - Is incoming according to Spotify, in the meanwhile you have MetroRadio, Nokia Music and Xbox Music.
    Facebook - What are you missing in the built-in Facebook?
    Instapaper - Never Heard of.
    Slingplayer - Are slingboxes still around?
    Tapatalk - What's wrong with Board Express?

    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it."
    I've used dropbox since the beta. I've used gmail since 2004. I have absolutely NO interest in changing the services I use. They work. They work well. I've used them for years. I know how they work, I know they're reliable. It's a fundamentally conservative position, but I don't care. It works really well for me. My school and job both use gmail, in addition to my personal account. How SOL am I in a month? Pretty much screwed. Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it." Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.
    Google is dropping support for WP. It's not MS's choice. I suggest buying an Android phone.

    http://winsupersite.com/mobile-devic...ls-eas-support
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it."
    I've used dropbox since the beta. I've used gmail since 2004. I have absolutely NO interest in changing the services I use. They work. They work well. I've used them for years. I know how they work, I know they're reliable. It's a fundamentally conservative position, but I don't care. It works really well for me. My school and job both use gmail, in addition to my personal account. How SOL am I in a month? Pretty much screwed. Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.
    I fully agree with you. I am a 11-year veteran of Gmail and pretty invested in Google services. Let me tell you something, though. With Google's announcement of dropping Activesync, I decided to switch to Outlook.com. It's a bigger deal to me than most, as I set up new Mobile devices every month and Google's IMAP4 and CalDAV and CarDAV simply aren't the same.

    Switching to Outlook mail is actually pretty seemless. You set gmail to forward to your hotmail address, then there's an import tool called Trueswitch (free) that imports all of your mail. Literally everything from my 11-year-old account imported, all 7 gigs of it. You could already import contacts and calendar from Google, so that was covered.

    Using Outlook.com for the last few weeks, find that I like it better. It's cleaner, less cluttered, and has options (select ALL mail items when you check the box in the upper left, not just what's on the screen) that Gmail seems to have dropped. It also has a reading pane view, like Outlook 2010 that really works well. And some automatic smart folders for shipping notices, pictures, etc. You can even set your Gmail account as a "send as" address and most of your contacts would never know the difference.

    I'm not trying to sell you on switching. I just want you to be educated. It was really that easy and Outlook mail is a different beast from Hotmail. It's VERY good. I didn't think I could switch after using Gmail for over a decade and I couldn't be happier. Activesync was just THAT important to me. It's not just mobile devices: Windows 8, Mac Mail, etc. won't work with your Gmail account as well now that they have dropped Activesync. I can't live in that world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdskep View Post
    Google is dropping support for WP. It's not MS's choice. I suggest buying an Android phone.

    http://winsupersite.com/mobile-devic...ls-eas-support
    However, Microsoft can update the OS to use Google's email sync technology once they drop EAS.
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    They can, and probably will. But I doubt it will happen soon (or soon enough), as it would definitely require a software update for the phone and we all saw how slow Portico rolled out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravage View Post
    They can, and probably will. But I doubt it will happen soon (or soon enough), as it would definitely require a software update for the phone and we all saw how slow Portico rolled out.
    It seems MS can do many things on Server side...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xsonwong View Post
    It seems MS can do many things on Server side...
    Not really. The WP8 Mail client itself has extremely limited options for IMAP and how fast the mail can be received. This is not something that can be changed from the server side, nor is CalDAV or CarDAV support.
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    Microsoft can add carddav/caldav, but it does not work as well as EAS so you know how the story goes. They add in the support, contacts don't sync right and the world blames Microsoft. carddav support on my MacBook air stinks too.....the standard is not great, and the google support of it is even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravage View Post
    I fully agree with you. I am a 11-year veteran of Gmail and pretty invested in Google services. Let me tell you something, though. With Google's announcement of dropping Activesync, I decided to switch to Outlook.com. It's a bigger deal to me than most, as I set up new Mobile devices every month and Google's IMAP4 and CalDAV and CarDAV simply aren't the same.

    Switching to Outlook mail is actually pretty seemless. You set gmail to forward to your hotmail address, then there's an import tool called Trueswitch (free) that imports all of your mail. Literally everything from my 11-year-old account imported, all 7 gigs of it. You could already import contacts and calendar from Google, so that was covered.

    Using Outlook.com for the last few weeks, find that I like it better. It's cleaner, less cluttered, and has options (select ALL mail items when you check the box in the upper left, not just what's on the screen) that Gmail seems to have dropped. It also has a reading pane view, like Outlook 2010 that really works well. And some automatic smart folders for shipping notices, pictures, etc. You can even set your Gmail account as a "send as" address and most of your contacts would never know the difference.

    I'm not trying to sell you on switching. I just want you to be educated. It was really that easy and Outlook mail is a different beast from Hotmail. It's VERY good. I didn't think I could switch after using Gmail for over a decade and I couldn't be happier. Activesync was just THAT important to me. It's not just mobile devices: Windows 8, Mac Mail, etc. won't work with your Gmail account as well now that they have dropped Activesync. I can't live in that world.
    I guess you missed the part where I said I was happy with what I had, and had no interest whatsoever in changing my workflow? No to mention the fact that everybody I talk to is signed into gtalk all the time.
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    WP is still way better than iOS or Android. I can do more faster and quicker on my 920 versus the Android and iPhone I had. They weren't bad platforms, but with WP I can check my email and calendar quicker, see updates from family with the group feature, and it is just so much more refined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    I guess you missed the part where I said I was happy with what I had, and had no interest whatsoever in changing my workflow? No to mention the fact that everybody I talk to is signed into gtalk all the time.
    You sound like an Android user complaining about not having Office support. It ain't gonna happen. I'd suggest not switching to WP or moving to Android. Google will not support any apps on WP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekonger View Post
    WP is still way better than iOS or Android. I can do more faster and quicker on my 920 versus the Android and iPhone I had. They weren't bad platforms, but with WP I can check my email and calendar quicker, see updates from family with the group feature, and it is just so much more refined.
    I would agree with you, IF the darn thing had a notification center.... I hate the fact that if I feel the phone vibrate in my pocket and don't see the notification, and it's not a mail or JiTalk... I have to check all other things that it could have been... That's just... stupid....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it."
    I've used dropbox since the beta. I've used gmail since 2004. I have absolutely NO interest in changing the services I use. They work. They work well. I've used them for years. I know how they work, I know they're reliable. It's a fundamentally conservative position, but I don't care. It works really well for me. My school and job both use gmail, in addition to my personal account. How SOL am I in a month? Pretty much screwed. Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.
    I think you have it backwards. If you need those apps, and are unwilling to look into alternative apps, then you need to stick with the OS that provides those apps, and at the moment WP8 doesn't have all those apps.

    It's not the fault of the WP8 that you bought a phone with an OS that doesn't support your usage scenario as well as you'd like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMBasquiat View Post
    I think you have it backwards. If you need those apps, and are unwilling to look into alternative apps, then you need to stick with the OS that provides those apps, and at the moment WP8 doesn't have all those apps.

    It's not the fault of the WP8 that you bought a phone with an OS that doesn't support your usage scenario as well as you'd like.
    Windows Phone CAN'T succeed without things like gmail syncing. Period. End of story. Just as an example, the University of California is moving towards a gmail system for every campus. That's hundreds of thousands of students, faculty, and staff who can't sync their school/work email to their phone. Corporations are moving to gmail, schools are moving to gmail, 425 million people use gmail. Not optional.
    It's not just gmail though. 100 million people use dropbox. If you can't support dropbox, you need to get serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    Windows Phone CAN'T succeed without things like gmail syncing. Period. End of story. Just as an example, the University of California is moving towards a gmail system for every campus. That's hundreds of thousands of students, faculty, and staff who can't sync their school/work email to their phone. Corporations are moving to gmail, schools are moving to gmail, 425 million people use gmail. Not optional.
    It's not just gmail though. 100 million people use dropbox. If you can't support dropbox, you need to get serious.
    TL;DR past your University comment. Enterprise customers (google apps) still get active sync. Google can't afford to NOT offer EAS to paying customers. Enterprise lives in Windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdskep View Post
    You sound like an Android user complaining about not having Office support. It ain't gonna happen.
    Careful with that - MS Office for Android (and iOS) has been announced for early 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it."
    I've used dropbox since the beta. I've used gmail since 2004. I have absolutely NO interest in changing the services I use. They work. They work well. I've used them for years. I know how they work, I know they're reliable. It's a fundamentally conservative position, but I don't care. It works really well for me. My school and job both use gmail, in addition to my personal account. How SOL am I in a month? Pretty much screwed. Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.
    If you have no interest in changing services, why bother going with WP? I mean it's a whole new outlook, yet you expect all the services to be there. And just because you use "dropbox since 2004" doesn't mean it's better than other services. Sorry, but SkyDrive is way better and so have I been a user of dropbox since 2004. So what is your point? And yes, switching providers is an answer sometimes. It's difficult, but it's only a first world country problem. I think right now we're going to be very limited with WP8, it's the way it's going to be, and quite honestly it's always going to be like that until we get ahead of two or become a bigger third option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravage View Post
    They can, and probably will. But I doubt it will happen soon (or soon enough), as it would definitely require a software update for the phone and we all saw how slow Portico rolled out.
    Do you mean from the time it hit the servers to the point it was on our phones, or from the time WP8 was launched?

    I guess I live in a rose-colored world either way, as they pushed out Portico on AT&T less than six weeks from the time they launched WP8. That seems incredibly quick to me, in fact, not certain when I have seen an update come so quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it."
    I've used dropbox since the beta. I've used gmail since 2004. I have absolutely NO interest in changing the services I use. They work. They work well. I've used them for years. I know how they work, I know they're reliable. It's a fundamentally conservative position, but I don't care. It works really well for me. My school and job both use gmail, in addition to my personal account. How SOL am I in a month? Pretty much screwed. Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.
    Sounds like you have a clear decision to make then. C ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiCoN_dk View Post
    I would agree with you, IF the darn thing had a notification center.... I hate the fact that if I feel the phone vibrate in my pocket and don't see the notification, and it's not a mail or JiTalk... I have to check all other things that it could have been... That's just... stupid....
    Isn't that what live tiles and the icons on the lock screen are for? I can glance at my live tiles and see what needs attention right away. To be honest, I only used the notification center on my Android only because it didn't provide features of live tiles on WP and it was hard for me to find things. Live tiles are much easier and cleaner to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekonger View Post
    Isn't that what live tiles and the icons on the lock screen are for? I can glance at my live tiles and see what needs attention right away. To be honest, I only used the notification center on my Android only because it didn't provide features of live tiles on WP and it was hard for me to find things. Live tiles are much easier and cleaner to me.
    The thing is, many live tiles don't exactly tell you what the notification was about. Just that there was one. Live tiles work great for glancing at readily available info. Not necessarily for info you might have missed. I am not dead set against needing a notification center. But having used a Android for a bit this summer, it was nice to have
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
    You have it backwards. I use the services I use, and my OS better support, not "Let me change all the services I use because my OS can't or won't support it."
    I've used dropbox since the beta. I've used gmail since 2004. I have absolutely NO interest in changing the services I use. They work. They work well. I've used them for years. I know how they work, I know they're reliable. It's a fundamentally conservative position, but I don't care. It works really well for me. My school and job both use gmail, in addition to my personal account. How SOL am I in a month? Pretty much screwed. Tons of universities and corporations have switched to gmail. This stuff is not optional for WP8 to be a viable ecosystem and "just switch your whole life to another provider" is not a real answer.

    I think you have it backwards, It is not Microsoft dropping the support, it is Google who is the bad guy. Im not gonna let my email provider decide what hardware I buy or what OS I run. It is consumers like you that make it possible for companies like Google to screw consumers over, the kind that accepts being screwed over. I will buy whatever product I want, if some service provider I use will not support my new product I will pick one of the many alternatives availiable, no one will make money on me and at the same time try to screw me over. If it was Microsoft trying to decide what email provider I could use I would sell my phone, but that is not the case, it is Google who tries to decide which phone I can buy if I want to use their services, so then I will not use their services.
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    I think the surprising stories are the WP7 dev 's that we new WP8 users hear about who are announcing they're jumping ship. Long time developers bailing. To someone who is switching from iOS or android and sees that it sounds an alarm in our minds that if MS can't keep the developers it had on 7, what's that say for the likely scenario of it attracting the ones we all want quickly on WP period.

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    all phone..platforms are good...i had them all..
    just buy the one that useful to you.
    i see ppl swap..trade..sell and buy phone all over everyday.
    i already sold SGS3//then traded my iphone5..back to note2..sold and got me a L920 now.
    trust me all of them are good top smart..just get the one useful for you.
    come back again to WP at later time..when useful for you.
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