I'm glad CDMA is getting cut off after the decade, but in the meantime it means Verizon needs exclusive phones with exclusive firmware.
Perhaps the ICON just has NOT sold well - completely missing from this AdDuplex Sept 24th Report?
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No quite a true statement. CDMA is used in several other countries. The problem is that you can't take a phone from one CDMA network and use it on another. THAT is why they are called, "locked" phones.
Example please. And any locked phone, at least in the us, can be unlocked once the contract is over. And if it is bought outside of carrier it comes unlocked typically.
Here you go: List of CDMA2000 networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CDMA needs a key specific to the carrier that is baked into the firmware. So therefore, a Sprint CDMA phone will not work with Verizon, even if Sprint "unlocked" it. Verizon would need to load its firmware onto the phone; and if Verizon doesn't support that phone then you can't use it on its network. GSM/LTE is what is considered "unlocked." If the phone is capable of accessing the frequencies used by a carrier, all you need is a new SIM and you are up and running on a new network.
LTE is a direct descendent of GSM and in some places uses the same frequencies as GSM, therefore all GSM and LTE phones are unlocked. The only limitation is frequency access. That is why the Icon can use GSM and HSPA+ on AT&T and T-Mobile, but not LTE, because AT&T and T-Mobile have different LTE frequency bands than Verizon.
Well, within another week, we should see a new round of AdDuplex and other reports. What still surprises me is that Microsoft "Windows Phone management" issued a furry of reports about Cyan near the end of September - causing the Blogosphere to run articles that 50% of Windows Phones were now being pushed "Cyan" ... and cited Europe and Asia/India as well.
THEN, for the last 3 weeks ... near nothing? Anyone think they know WHY?
THEN, for the last 3 weeks ... near nothing? Anyone think they know WHY?
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It sounds like Verizon sold the Icon in selective stores. I say this because what everybody here has said it, in one way or the other , some store had no idea there was a Icon, while others stores have stock , and are displaying and trying to sell them. while other store had little or no stock and put them aside, so the scenario goes, if the icon didn't sell to Verizon satisfaction. it would be easy to drop the line because they don't have all that inventory in the other stores. on the other hand if it sold well, then they order more stock for the other stores. the Htc 8x comes to mind they still have stock and sell them in the stores, and they just didn't sell like they hoped.
The 930 and the Icon have good praises on this site and others , so it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem.
The 930 and the Icon have good praises on this site and others , so it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem.
What still "does NOT compute" is that Microsoft has mode "zero public or private comments", considering that Verizon is the largest US carrier and Windows Phone is STILL struggling to gain a foothold!
Come on Microsoft ... what's going on?
Come on Microsoft ... what's going on?
The silence has lawyer BS written all over it. If someone gets fired, no one is allowed to talk about it. I see this as the same thing. Keep quiet or else we'll kill ALL windows phones type thing.
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I have a feeling Nokia/Microsoft gave Verizon the Icon as an exclusive, just to get them to carry it in their stores. It didn't sell, so Verizon **** canned it.
People are bashing Verizon for wanting exclusive rights to the device, but this might have been all Microsoft's idea to begin with. They're Americas largest carrier, so I can understand why Microsoft would approach them.
People are bashing Verizon for wanting exclusive rights to the device, but this might have been all Microsoft's idea to begin with. They're Americas largest carrier, so I can understand why Microsoft would approach them.
I still say that legally the Icon/929 is not a 930 and therefore they could give Verizon the exclusive and sell the 930 on AT&T and get away with it. The reverse was certainly true. The 920 was AT&T exclusive and they made the 925 for T-Mobile (which came back to AT&T anyway) and the 928 for Verizon (which needs a special CDMA exclusive phone anyway)
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the 929 not the same phone as the 930, The 929 is LTE 4G on Verizon with wireless charging where as the 930 only get 3G on Verizon, and no wireless charging. it may have the same engine in it, but totally two different phones as far as I am concerned. I am on Verizon I wanted the Lumia 830 but it will only get 3g no LTE 4g., only option was the Icon, SE , or M8, so I got the Icon for the grate camera and wireless charging.
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Perhaps they will get rid of the 928 once they sell their remaining stock. Or it could be cheaper to make and the margins are better with the 928. Who knows. If I was placing a bet, I'd take the former.
The 929 is a 930 with an additional radio for Verizon's antique CDMA network. It also has special firmware required to make the CDMA work on Verizon. I don't see how you could get a 930 to work on Verizon except maybe LTE only (which probably means no phone calls) I've heard that the 1520 doesn't work at all on Verizon even though it has the right LTE frequencies. Its probably rejected by the network do to lack of basic phone service.
930 and icon are the same in the same way the AT&T iPhone 6 and Verizon iPhone 6 are the same. The 930 however, can not connect to any of Verizon's networks
Just an FYI. I was at the Microsoft Store here in Hawaii getting a glass screen protector for my SP3 and I asked about the Icon being retired. The rep I spoke to (who is a manager and talks to corporate a lot) flatly denied that the Icon is retired. She doesn't know why Verizon is saying it is. But it is stilt available through MSFT.
This just in. There are no details yet. But hopefully, Microsoft will provide them eventually. Then we can see how well or how poorly the Icon sold.
Microsoft sold 9.3 million Lumia Windows Phones worldwide for 'modest growth' | Windows Central
Microsoft sold 9.3 million Lumia Windows Phones worldwide for 'modest growth' | Windows Central
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I was in best buy yesterday looking for a case for my Icon, but every display in there was IPhone, not one Nokia, or Microsoft display other than one shelf for Windows software. so I walk though the mall to the cell phone case display, guess what they sell ? nothing for Nokia/Microsoft , but she had a belt case that fit the Icon, so I bought it before someone would tell me I couldn't use it for my Icon.. LOL
Microsoft needs to put display in the stores, Tv adds are not enough.
Thank goodness there is Amazon / Ebay.
Microsoft needs to put display in the stores, Tv adds are not enough.
Thank goodness there is Amazon / Ebay.
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