01-08-2013, 09:27 PM #52
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- 01-08-2013, 11:16 PM #53
And the other point.. the only way to significantly improve image quality is by using better (they are generally bigger) optics and bigger image sensors. That is it. There is no (at least not yet) shortcuts you can take.. but then people moan about size, camera humps, etc. Well.. you can't have a 8 mm. thin phone and amazing imaging capabilities.
Honestly since the days of the N95/N97 the only significant advancement in imaging was shown in the Nokia N8 and the 808... and now to a certain extent in the 920 in terms of video stabilization and.. maybe low light, even tho the 808 can produce better results if you adjust the ISO.
By popular request: Nokia N8 vs Lumia 920 PR1.1 vs Ativ S camera test
- 01-08-2013, 11:42 PM #54
i think what's lost in this whole convo is the fact that the camera doesnt just take daylight pics. if you have to pick on this 1 thing about the lumia 920 camera to give another camera an advantage then the lumia 920's camera has already won. lets compare the lumia 920's camera to the iphone 5's in all camera category's (since after all you're talking about the camera and not just daytime pics)
daytime pics: i'll concede this to iphone 5 to prove my point although i dont think this is the case if you actually know how to take pics.
nighttime pics: lumia 920
daytime video: lumia 920
nighttime video: lumia 920
video audio (since this goes hand in hand with the video): lumia 920 with HAAC mics
so if we're talking about the camera of the lumia 920 vs. the iphone 5, the lumia 920 beats it period. as i already said, you have to really be nit picking to find 1 thing to give the iphone 5 an advantage. that says alot about the lumia 920's camera.
- 01-09-2013, 12:27 AM #57
There are loads and loads of major problems with even trying to gather the data for that, and even if that succeeded you still have to get rid of the problems surrounding that people with phones that give crap pictures in low light will not use their phones in low light. So please tell us how you came up with that number.
01-09-2013, 12:45 AM #58
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Anecdotally, the majority of photos I've seen taken with cell phones have been in lower light situations. Most people work for a living, and end up taking shots at dinner parties, after dusk with friends and families, birthdays, kids sports events, etc - just looking at my phone and seeing the photos my family shares with me, most are night shots ( new years eve, dinner at vacation, coffee at a bar, etc).
01-09-2013, 12:49 AM #59
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The point is, after all the hype of the 920's super duper 5 balls camera, it lacks in one of the most important areas in respect to competition. That's a hard fact despite all the apologists coming up with lines like "you have to use manual settings" or "nokia don't know WP8 as well as they did Symbian". Me as a consumer, I don't care about Nokia's hardships. I just want a product that works as it should and unfortunately I'm finding the 920 lacking in many areas. I understand this is a new product and no doubt in a year's time Nokia + WP8 will be in a good place but presently they are not worth the money.
- 01-09-2013, 12:52 AM #60(Gaming Rig)
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- 01-09-2013, 01:29 AM #61
I think the daytime shots are just about the same. People will have a hard time distingishing between the two in a blind test. So what matters way more in daylight would be shooting and post-processing skills (both technical and artistic). The problem for iphone is that the 920 wipes the floor with it in low light. It seems some people don't have a good grasp of what that means. We are talking a difference between having a picture to show for if you got L920 and nothing (or garbage) to show for if you got iphone. And that's the way camera battles are usually won and lost these days -- low light performance. If you've been around in photography, you would know that just about all DSLR cameras costing anywhere from $400 to $5000 take very good daylight pictures these days. People have a hard time telling any difference in picture quality. It's the low light performance where cheap DSLRs fall short most drastically, just like iphone against the 920. To me, L920 is a no brainer winner here. But if you know you will only shoot in daylight, by all means pick any phone you like and be happy.
- 01-09-2013, 02:37 AM #62
So.. Nokia messed up, which happens quite often acutally..
- 01-09-2013, 10:24 AM #65
Judging from everyone I know and what pictures I see them upload to Facebook/Instagram I would say most of their pictures are taken inside with the lights dimmed down (how cozy is it to have a dinner/party with bright lights turned on?).
When I was choosing phone I wanted to choose between Android, iOS and WP8. I'd rather take slightly worse pictures in perfect lighting if that makes my pictures good in low light. Judging from my friends iPhone 4S/5 pictures from dinner parties/restaurants//parties and so on they are useless.
What is wrong with using manual settings to improve the quality further? The auto mode works and is not crap, and as on any decent camera you have the option to improve it with manual settings. What bothers me more is the smartphones that completely lack support for manual settings.
01-09-2013, 10:49 AM #66
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Question for you guys (and gals):
my #1 beef my the camera on my 920 was the soft focusing. that is *definitely* improved with the Portico update. Not to where I'd like it to be, but unquestionably better.
NOW, my #1 beef is how it exposes images. On the iPhone, you press and hold on any part of the image and it not only focuses on that point, it also **adjusts the exposure** for that spot. So if you have an area that's sunny and another that's shady, you get to choose which area is exposed properly.
On the 920, when you press and hold on any part of the image, it adjusts ONLY the focus to that point. To adjust the exposure, you have to do it for the entire scene by adjusting in the settings menu, which is a HUGE pain in the you know what. (if I am a complete ***** and I'm missing something here, by all means fill me in!!!)
I have to say, while I LOVE my 920, I'm disappointed in the camera. I used iPhone > iPhone 3 > iPhone 4; so between 2007 and late 2012 I knew nothing but iPhone cameras, and perhaps I just got used to the way that iOS manages and processes images, and now that's my standard (not to say that one is good and the other bad, it's just what i've been used to for so long.) I just know that when I point my wife's iPhone 4S at something, I'm much more likely to get the image that I'm picturing in my head, as compared to using my 920.
- 01-09-2013, 12:09 PM #67
Am I the only person who has "glowing eyes" in almost all indoor and low light photos? Only way I have found to get rid of it is have everybody turn around and get a picture of their backside. Or post edit. I can decrease exposure time and help but then pics are dark. Auto settings are crap. I can get great pics of landscape as well. But I can't get a descent indoor people picture to save my life. Outdoor is ok, but indoor or low light sucks. I get 1 in 10 worth keeping. I had plenty of time over holidays to take pics with family and I spent all my time deleting or editing to get pics worth keeping. This is why the camera is worthless for me. I want point, click and done. If I wanted to spend all my time with settings and post editing I would get a camera. My moms 4s took great pics the whole time and I got a bunch of useless pics.
- 01-09-2013, 12:25 PM #69
If you MUST use "spot metering" technique, CameraPro let you do that by allowing exposure lock.
01-09-2013, 12:38 PM #71
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01-09-2013, 12:51 PM #73
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Sold my Lumia 920 last week and still have an iPhone 5 and a Nokia Pureview 808 which was used for the late night pic of a glas of beer...not very creative I know but I'm sure many of you can post a pic like that with the Lumia 920 or the iPhone or any other smartphone for comparing detail, sharpness and whatnot.
Nokia Pureview 808 beer-pic :)
Last edited by arni99; 01-09-2013 at 01:05 PM.
- 01-09-2013, 01:04 PM #74
Same setup here.. the iPhone 5 is mostly used for gaming, the 808 is the main "daily driver" or whatever the modern term for that is. As far as the camera.. the phase 1 phone is in a league of its own. The flash performance is aided by a powerful xenon flash, and pixel oversampling.. so you get a bright, low noise picture.. and you can freeze motion really easy. Here is one from the dance floor.. everyone moving, including myself.. but everything is frozen, detail, color.. it does as well as most p&s.
The iphone 5 can't even get to .. 20% of this kind of performance.. as soon as the sun goes down, the camera is pretty much useless.
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