View Poll Results: Can the Blackberry 10 edge Windows Phone out of 3rd place?
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- 01-20-2013, 04:49 AM #1
Many people have already seen most of what BB10 is bringing to the table on Jan 30th (tons of videos on youtube). RIM is probably keeping a few features hidden till the launch date. But most of the things should be what has already been demoed.
Here's a simple question:
Does Blackberry 10 have what it takes to push MS out of 3rd place in the smartphone market?
- 01-20-2013, 05:32 AM #2
Easily. Blackberry has currently, and has always done messaging better than any other platform, Windows Phone inclusive.
Ever wondered why there's no AIM, Yahoo, MSN, Google Talk app for WP? They don't exist on Microsoft's platform. Blackberry comes with all of these services BUILT IN, along with Kik, BBM, Viber, WhatsApp etc. All with reliable notifications and apps that don't have to re-connect every time you start them up. You also don't have to use some wanky third party app that's half *** and only works half the time. This is a huge problem with Windows Phone.
Current blackberry devices have Google Maps. Which has latitude integration and, yep its still better than Nokia Maps. Can you type in the name of a local business on Nokia maps and get directions? For most places outside of cities, nope. Nokia has next to no business listings for their maps. The same goes for bing.
Blackberry has the app problem solved, They're launching with around 80,000 apps. That's awesome. It took WP two years to get to 120,000.
Blackberry has a super streamlined porting process that means android devs don't have to do much to port their games to BB10. They'll over take WP in no time.
So far RIM has been playing their cards right, they only have to sell around 8 million devices to get back into profitability. That's including their legacy devices which they're still launching and selling on carriers everywhere. They're launching super cheap curve devices on prepaid on networks all over the place. I picked up a Blackberry Curve for $140 and got a year of free Internet with it. I'm not complaining. WP still has very limited carrier reach.
It looks like with a lot of the niggling issues with the blackberry platform, they seem to have fixed. The new browser rocks, it doesn't take an hour to reboot, and it'll have WAY more apps. From a product perspective, it looks a lot more polished than WP does currently.
I wouldn't be surprised if RIM pushes WP back to 4th place.
This is coming from a long time Lumia lover.
- 01-20-2013, 05:34 AM #3
Probably not, but I actually hope so. In an ideal world there would be 3 phone OS's: iOS, WP and BB. But that is not happening.....
I do hope though, whatever share they are going to take back, they will take from Android and not WP.
- 01-20-2013, 08:21 AM #4
There is a great deal of enthusiasm about BB10, as there should be. BB5/6/7 was antiquated to the point of ridicule, BB10 would have to be the biggest mess in the history of technology for it be called a failure compared to what came before. This isn't WP 7 to 8 or iOS 5 to 6, Android ICS to Jellybean.
This is more like DOS 5.0 to Windows 7. It sure as **** better be impressive.
Also BlackBerry has one huge advantage that WP doesn't have: mindshare. There are tonnes of ex-BB users on other platforms that would be waiting to go back home if the product was right - WP has never had that.
As to other switchers - it will be a dogfight like it always is. The fight will be for the ones bored or tired of their current phones, looking for something new and different.
- 01-20-2013, 03:28 PM #5
RIM offers Android developers up to $2,000 to port apps to BlackBerry 10 this weekend
RIM offers Android developers up to $2,000 to port apps to BlackBerry 10 this weekend - Yahoo! News
Looks like they are already going out full force. Unlike Microsoft who won't even bother making a new Xbox live game and too busy sending their top apps to IOS and Android
- 01-20-2013, 03:53 PM #6
I really hope so. Because WP8 is going nowhere with this half hearted effort from Microsoft. I would hate to go back to Android and will pay Apple over my dead body. So if RIM can actually bring a refreshing range of handsets, features, hardware with the same secure, reliable and fast communication suite, at least there is a back up phone to fall over on!
- 01-20-2013, 03:56 PM #7
- 01-20-2013, 03:59 PM #8
I'm confused - isn't the current Blackberry user based around 80 million, collectively? Does Windows Phone (all iterations) have more than 80 million users? If not, then Blackberry is already third, and the question becomes will they retain their position at third.
- 01-20-2013, 04:25 PM #11
has absolutely nothing to do with what it can or can not do. the question is whether one platform can succeed enough to take on current platforms. the answer is no. back when bb10 was originally announced ages ago it might have had a fighting chance but now is far too late. many of the governments and large corporations who traditionally used BB have dropped the platform for mostly IOS or android. this leaves mostly day to day users. currently none of the carriers have good plans for the use of BB mail. even if this were to change it would still not be as good as the other platforms who do not require anything special in a plan. even with ok sales RIM has no chance of surviving and this is just an attempt to make RIM worth buying.
this is about shareholders. do we sell now and take a loss or attempt to make something worth buying at a premium. even this is a long shot as was pretty obvious with the tablet.
01-20-2013, 10:58 PM #13
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Can BB10 do it? Maybe... Definitely "yes" if MS will continue derping around and wasting their $$$ on Windows 8's (desktop version) "fabulous!" features and its "Windows Store" instead of actively trying to attract mobile app developers by paying them directly for porting the apps in a proper way ;-) Right now the "120,000 apps!" store is largely filled with severely outdated and barely useful (due to lack of features) versions of apps ported from other platforms or garbage apps like several variations of CNN front page readers and such... In any case I hope BB will provide enough competition for MS to encourage MS to treat the mobile platform more seriously.
01-20-2013, 11:47 PM #15
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Diehard WP fan, but BB10 is set to crush WP8. Microsoft's heart isn't into mobile devices at present...xbox music is a disaster, Skype sucks, no top tier device on Verizon or Sprint, no instagram, limited WP8 games, etc
- 01-21-2013, 12:14 AM #16
I really think it will. But that won't eliminate Wp8. I've seen multiple people switch to Windows Phone in the past week alone. Bb10 will be popular with the adults but in my opinion it won't grab the youths attention.
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- 01-21-2013, 12:30 AM #17
In a global perspective they can not. Huawei just started with Windows Phone:
Ascend W1 - Huawei Device Co., Ltd..
Here in Sweden BlackBerry have been non existent, so BB 10 would not be any different. In many other countries to.
But I guess they have a good chance in USA and Canada.
We will see what happend.
- 01-21-2013, 01:28 AM #18
I don't think Blackberry can do this on its own. Microsoft will need to help them to do that and with the speed at which Microsoft is bringing basics like cut/paste, multitasking and notification to its user base, a splashy, well placed ad will grab a lot of fence sitters, especially those on Sprint.
Blackberry would have to bring Notification, Instagram, Facebook/twitter integration and LTE. It'll be half way there and its quite possible Microsoft would feel BB breathing down its neck. If this new Blackberry is easily integrated on corporate BES servers, then oh yeah, the battle is on. Windows Phone 7, 7.5 or Windows Phone 8 cannot cannot be used with Mobile Iron. No api's for it. But Blackberry, IOS and Android can. How can they be so flatfooted on this?
One other thing, all those developers that MS courted all be heading back to what they know. Microsoft needs to quit treating this phone like they do their browser. Take some risks.
Moreover, if, I mean WHEN the Verge, Engadget, TechCrunch, ZDNet, Paul Thurrott and the usual haters of all things Windows Phone get about comparing the two platforms, singing BB praise as I know they will, WP might find itself in 4th place for a little while, again. Not like that all by itself will affect US but again, fence sitters and those without brand loyalty will be lost. More than anything WP needs NOTIFICATION center. A really good one. It also needs a better backup system. What we have now seems ill conceived. So in short, it could happen.
- 01-21-2013, 07:06 AM #20
Blackberry 10 can push Windows Phone out of third place if they do the following:
1. Get a phone with a physical keyboard out, fast. Why? Explain how those antiquated Curve phones sell. No, not just because of its price, but because of its keyboard. Sure, Nokia ended up competing with them anyway via the E-Series, and the Asha 200/205/303; but was that enough? I think not. RIM still has a stranglehold on the physical keyboard market.
2. Cheap phones. Yes, they are important. Explain how RIM still keeps selling phones. Price is the deciding factor for many.
3. Stay cool. Well, at least in the Philippines. Yes, they're still cool here. And Windows Phone is still associated with <censored word that means feces>. Mostly due to misconceptions that Blackberry phones are cheap luxury items, Android fans' smear tactics and BBM.
4. Apps. This is the number one complaint about Windows Phone. And, they're catching up.
5. BBM. Exclusive to Blackberry. Its popularity is evidenced by the installed user base of 79 million.
- 01-21-2013, 07:30 AM #21
Seems like bad news, right? Well, here's how Windows Phone can avoid that, and possibly move past iOS.
1. Hardware. Okay, we don't have Octa-core processors. Okay, we don't have 4GB RAM on our phones. But, the WP8 Lumias and the HTC Windows Phones are:A refreshing mix of colors in an industry where an unwritten rule exists: your phone must be a shade of gray.
2.The UI. Okay, it reminds me of the mess called Windows RT (Win8 makes sense, this doesn't), but it doesn't remind me of iOS, Android (one of the UI Launchers here make no Sense.) However, this is one of the easiest to navigate UIs I have ever seen. In fact, I may be able to compare it to MeeGo, in terms of usability.
3. Office + Pre-installed apps. Okay, while I'd love phones to do a lot out of the box, a la Symbian (I'm looking at you, Apple); Windows Phone is really one of the few that try to match Symbian's versatility out of the box. Oh, and Office made me #switch to WP.
4. Micro$oft. Yes, I intended to spell it that way. Microsoft wasted millions on Bing. On Bing Video. On the XBox. The list goes on. And, some of these were actually successful *cough* XBox *cough* It may turn out that way if they decide to not put some half-assed effort on Windows Phone.
5. Us. Yes, I mean you, WP fan reading my post right now. Now, how will we take advantage of this opportunity. iOS is bland, to a certain extent. Android is now a chopsuey mess of an OS. BB10 is over the horizon. Sailfish? Ubuntu? No real OEM support. Well, what will we do? *looks at Microsoft-Nokia, HTC and Huawei*
- 01-21-2013, 08:45 AM #23
I think they can. Right now it's a race for me. I bought an L820 at launch because I was due for an upgrade and my old BB 9800 needed a new battery and RIM was taking to long to get BB10, and there were a couple of features "I thought" would/should be better on WP8 primarily office and onenote (very disappointed with this on WP8). So far I'm underwhelmed with the nokia/WP8 combination so much so that I bought a new battery for my 9800 and have gone back to using that 90% of the time. If MS can update this OS and get alot of the minor issues fixed then I'll be happy but if RIM brings BB10 out and reviews are better than what I'm experiencing with WP8 then my 820 will be up for sale and I'll be heading back to BB. I think it's customers like me who have no brand loyalty at all and am not a fanboy of anything that will determine issues like this. To me a phone is nothing more than a tool and it needs to do what I need or I'll find something else.
- 01-21-2013, 08:59 AM #24
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- 01-21-2013, 09:59 AM #25
Who cares. Don't let your device's market share effect your self esteem. Every OS has is good and bad points. In the corporate world, competition is a good thing for the consumer. If a company like MS or RIM can't get their sh*t together, at least there are more options. (Except Apple...they blow..lol)
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