05-21-2017 09:04 AM
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  1. Rainar Angelo's Avatar
    So you'd be buying it then?
    05-17-2017 11:21 AM
  2. AccentAE86's Avatar
    Super awkward. I've tried it many times on my Thinkpads, and it is just a terrible way to use the pen in just about ANY situation. I always ended up folding it down flat into a slate
    05-17-2017 12:06 PM
  3. pallentx's Avatar
    How to use the pen? Only when you really, really need it. Which means it wont be there because you quit carrying it, lol.
    05-17-2017 12:34 PM
  4. Patricks_Acct's Avatar
    As a university student, I found that using the Drawboard PDF editing app was perfect when I wanted to annotate a pdf that the professor was reviewing. Wish I could use the surface at work (accounting) where I could annotate source documents, make review notes in excel, and send memos that were written down by clicking the eraser of the pen.
    05-17-2017 03:38 PM
  5. Chris Stevens1's Avatar
    To: Octagon31415

    Quote "On a laptop inking is for occasional use to mark or sketch something simple quickly. Why use touch on a laptop? It is equally inconvenient, but occasionally useful. And pen is less greasy than fingers."

    You are entitled to your opinion. I suspect that you are describing your use work flow, but there are others. The surface laptop is every bit as capable of doing the pen based creative work you can do on an Surface Pro or Surface book, but in a much less elegant way. (Actually much more clumsy.)

    There is nothing wrong with a multi use product. Many people use laptops in place of desktops. I think MS missed the boat by not making this more pen friendly, even if this is not the primary use scenario. (From using AutoCAD for years, I also think the Surface Pro keyboards should connect via wifi when detached.0
    05-17-2017 03:38 PM
  6. Chris Stevens1's Avatar
    The unorthodox method of a pen on the Surface Laptop that kashgohel described (see below) looks to be workable.

    The question of how one would use a pen on the Surface Laptop, makes me wonder what would one use a pen on the Surface Laptop for? After due consideration, I think that I would use a pen on Surface Laptop to fill out a return authorization for fro said Surface Laptop, then to fill out a order fro a 2 in one device suited fro pen use. I know I would be sacrificing the function follows form and "cool and Apple competitive" for a form follows function device that will be more efficient for pen use.

    I think MS really missed the boat by not developing an elegant aspiration device the at could be a laptop with truly usable pen capabilities.

    I use AutoCAD. A slate/tablet pen computer would be great. A keyboard is also needed, built an attached keyboard is in the way. A surface pro keyboard with wifi or even USB connector would be great. The surface Pro 1 had a wifi keyboard adaptor that was ridiculously over priced, but better than nothing.

    From kashgohel's original post:
    Quote:
    1. Go to desktop settings and rotate the screen 180 degrees.
    2. Open the laptop fully, and instead of setting the base on the table, set the screen flat on the table surface.
    3. Prop up the base with a pile of heavy books, taking care not to block any heat vents
    4. Use as a touch screen like normal, and if you need added functionality you can add a wireless mouse or wireless keyboard.
    05-17-2017 04:06 PM
  7. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    There is ZERO reason for it to support inking as you can't do it comfortably.

    It's just awkward to use the pen on the Surface Pro while the keyboard is attached, it's just in the way.

    And the laptop doesn't have a way to lie flat or get the keyboard out of the way.
    05-17-2017 04:27 PM
  8. MrElectrifyer's Avatar
    Like every other Surface device, the Surface Laptop comes with a pen. However, I think it would be really awkward to see someone trying to take down stuff on a Surface Laptop. Weird? Probably. Doesn't this minimize the utility of the Pen?
    This Surface Laptop is the first Surface-branded device on which the pen and touch experience is nothing but a half-assed gimmick, as it can't be converted to a Tablet form-factor to make full and continuous use of them. When you try using it for a continuous pen and touch experience, a touchscreen laptop makes your arms fatigue and has terrible ergonomics compared to the tablet form-factor offered by devices like the Surface Pro/Book. Either that, or you just go ahead making yourself look idiotic by having the base of your laptop tilted up while the monitor lays on the table.

    Your only practical use of pen/touch on the Laptop form-factor is for occasional quick shortcuts/gestures, which is a joke compared to the full pen and touch experience you get from other Surface devices. Seriously, try doing this or this on a Laptop form-factor...

    If you're thinking of buying the Surface Laptop, simply go for the Surface Pro 4 and grab yourself this keyboard attachment that makes it appear like a traditional Laptop. The Surface Laptop is an overpriced joke compared to even the Surface Pro 4.
    Last edited by MrElectrifyer; 05-17-2017 at 07:27 PM.
    05-17-2017 07:10 PM
  9. sd4f's Avatar
    The surface laptop is in an odd place. I'm surprised that it still comes with the pen. I hope it still has accelerometers and you can put the laptop upside down or lie the screen flat. It's a really clunky solution though.

    The regular surfaces kind of made the best of both worlds with their detachable screens. Thing is, I still prefer a proper laptop with a stiff hinge, most of the time because the kick stand, while fine on a desk, it sucks to use on your lap or in odd places. The surface book appears to kind of address this, but it's still a rather bulky solution.

    I'd say that no one has really figured out a great solution to make the perfect convertible/2-in-1. The 360 hinge is probably the closest but even then, lying on the keyboard just seems weird.
    05-17-2017 07:26 PM
  10. MrElectrifyer's Avatar
    The surface laptop is in an odd place. I'm surprised that it still comes with the pen. I hope it still has accelerometers and you can put the laptop upside down or lie the screen flat. It's a really clunky solution though.

    The Surface Laptop does NOT come with a pen:

    surface-laptop-overpriced-joke-does-not-come-pen-.png

    Only sensor you're getting is a light sensor:

    surface-laptop-overpriced-joke-lacking-sensors-.png

    Again, if you're thinking of buying the Surface Laptop, simply go for the Surface Pro 4 and grab yourself this keyboard attachment that makes it appear and function like a traditional Laptop. The Surface Laptop is an overpriced joke compared to the Surface Pro 4.
    05-17-2017 07:45 PM
  11. sd4f's Avatar
    Ah ok, other people in this thread said it did come with the pen. Also sucks that it is missing so many sensors. I wonder if it even has a GPS?

    It's surprising because you'd think that MS would want to have a baseline config to allow different apps in. It's strange that they've done this, but I suppose it's also strange that there's no USB type c either.
    05-17-2017 08:09 PM
  12. MrElectrifyer's Avatar
    Ah ok, other people in this thread said it did come with the pen. Also sucks that it is missing so many sensors. I wonder if it even has a GPS?

    It's surprising because you'd think that MS would want to have a baseline config to allow different apps in. It's strange that they've done this, but I suppose it's also strange that there's no USB type c either.
    Yeah, it's lacking so much and is already outdated in 2017...

    This Surface Laptop is the First Overpriced Device With a Surface Branding
    05-17-2017 09:47 PM
  13. JohnnyRedLight's Avatar
    Speaking as an architecture student and artist who has to use unorthodox techniques to get work done, the solution I use is :

    1. Go to desktop settings and rotate the screen 180 degrees.
    2. Open the laptop fully, and instead of setting the base on the table, set the screen flat on the table surface.
    3. Prop up the base with a pile of heavy books, taking care not to block any heat vents
    4. Use as a touch screen like normal, and if you need added functionality you can add a wireless mouse or wireless keyboard.

    While this looks slightly cumbersome to set up, it works wonders for artists who sit at the touchscreen for long hours.

    Hope it works for you! :)
    LOL.... Love it!
    05-17-2017 09:50 PM
  14. pepe68's Avatar
    Speaking as an architecture student and artist who has to use unorthodox techniques to get work done, the solution I use is :

    1. Go to desktop settings and rotate the screen 180 degrees.
    2. Open the laptop fully, and instead of setting the base on the table, set the screen flat on the table surface.
    3. Prop up the base with a pile of heavy books, taking care not to block any heat vents
    4. Use as a touch screen like normal, and if you need added functionality you can add a wireless mouse or wireless keyboard.

    While this looks slightly cumbersome to set up, it works wonders for artists who sit at the touchscreen for long hours.

    Hope it works for you! :)
    Wow, that's pretty cool idea!

    Cheers!
    05-17-2017 10:02 PM
  15. Rainar Angelo's Avatar
    I love the idea of rotating by 180*. Smart stuff
    05-18-2017 12:32 AM
  16. Rainar Angelo's Avatar
    The Surface Laptop does NOT come with a pen:

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    Only sensor you're getting is a light sensor:

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    Again, if you're thinking of buying the Surface Laptop, simply go for the Surface Pro 4 and grab yourself this keyboard attachment that makes it appear and function like a traditional Laptop. The Surface Laptop is an overpriced joke compared to the Surface Pro 4.
    Well so much for that. Great info mate. Thanks.
    05-18-2017 12:34 AM
  17. Kaustubh Jondhalekar's Avatar
    Surface pen provides good feature and compatibility to use with, but when i have keypad attached its quite uncomfortable. Its quite good when i can detach screen, it provide very good angle to scribble with.
    05-18-2017 05:38 AM
  18. SEB2014's Avatar
    Yes this would work pretty well for those who really have to, too bad the screen cannot lay flat on a surface but those who use pen more frequently will opt for a Surface Pro
    05-18-2017 10:22 AM
  19. kaktus1389's Avatar
    As I said I think that if they would add a kickstand it would be a lot easier to use the pen. Also they made Surface Laptop because their customers wanted to see one - just a traditional laptop, not a 2-in-1 so they made one. For the ports yes, it's shame they didn't put Thunderbolt 3 in there but a large part of the population probably has no idea about Thunderbolt 3's existence nor what it is capable of and will be happy with USB-A port so they can use their external hard drives and USB sticks with it.

    If you look at the majority of OEM 2-in-1s that are made to be what Surface Pro 4 is, to my knowledge only Eve V and Asus devices have Thunderbolt 3 ports.
    05-18-2017 01:14 PM
  20. MrElectrifyer's Avatar
    As I said I think that if they would add a kickstand it would be a lot easier to use the pen. Also they made Surface Laptop because their customers wanted to see one - just a traditional laptop, not a 2-in-1 so they made one. For the ports yes, it's shame they didn't put Thunderbolt 3 in there but a large part of the population probably has no idea about Thunderbolt 3's existence nor what it is capable of and will be happy with USB-A port so they can use their external hard drives and USB sticks with it.

    If you look at the majority of OEM 2-in-1s that are made to be what Surface Pro 4 is, to my knowledge only Eve V and Asus devices have Thunderbolt 3 ports.
    HP (Elite X2), DELL (Latitude 7275 2-in-1), and many other OEMs already have devices with Thunderbolt 3. Just 'cause not everyone knows of the benefit isn't an excuse for it to be missing in a device priced this high in 2017...
    05-18-2017 10:08 PM
  21. Durahl's Avatar
    I'd guess the Panel could already be used in another Surface Product that DOES benefit greatly from having Inking available to it and for simplicity they just reused it for the Surface Laptop as well and then went like: "Still has Inking"
    05-19-2017 03:50 AM
  22. Ezhik's Avatar
    I'm thinking how one could draw with this thing

    The best I came up with is flipping it around so that the keyboard is away from you lol.
    05-19-2017 03:34 PM
  23. kashgohel's Avatar
    It's surprising but its true. I've had the chance to use a touch screen tablet to sketch and there are just sometimes where using a mouse is more accurate and less tiring than a super sensitive stylus.
    05-19-2017 03:49 PM
  24. kashgohel's Avatar
    Speaking as an artist, curves that are difficult to do with a mouse come easy using a stylus. Or many short strokes like when hatching a portrait or shading a render. Especially when you are sketching out an idea, a surface pen does wonders without slowing your workflow.

    But things like tiny rotations of images, enlarging/reducing layers etc on photoshop are done more accurately with a mouse and depending on the user, even a touchpad. When using a surface pen on the screen sometimes your hand blocks the view of the artwork you are working on, hence a mouse cursor is better as it occupies less real estate space of the screen.

    Therefore imho, the surface laptop is still a great device for artists.
    05-19-2017 03:54 PM
  25. DenDeMello's Avatar
    It's easy. Just rest the screen in your lap and start inking like you normally would !!😉
    05-20-2017 07:22 AM
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