05-20-2017 12:52 PM
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  1. 261995's Avatar
    Only windows store apps will work
    default browser and search settings are locked to microsoft
    05-13-2017 09:48 AM
  2. Drael646464's Avatar
    Every service that google does works in the browser (gmail, google maps, google drive etc). There's also a cool third party UWP app for gmail, gdocs, gdrive etc. There's several for youtube. Only dedicated apps you'll be missing is - chrome, google+, google maps (last two can be browsered, as can google search - but if your in the US, and some other specific countries like india, bing is actually good)

    I also think if apple can put iTunes in the store, there's a chance google will also get over themselves.
    05-13-2017 10:25 AM
  3. Eugene Harin's Avatar
    I don't use Google services at all. Am I normal?
    05-13-2017 10:30 AM
  4. Drael646464's Avatar
    I don't use Google services at all. Am I normal?
    No, but I don't either. I use google+ but that's it.
    05-13-2017 10:32 AM
  5. arjunan's Avatar
    I use all my google services inside the browser. And I think most people are like that.
    05-13-2017 12:46 PM
  6. Jeffery Holderness's Avatar
    You can even attach gmail services though the email app built into Windows 10. This really shouldn't be a big deal unless you use lots of specialized google apps that aren't available on a browser.
    05-13-2017 03:30 PM
  7. TheFlyingDutchBros's Avatar
    Every service that google does works in the browser (gmail, google maps, google drive etc). There's also a cool third party UWP app for gmail, gdocs, gdrive etc. There's several for youtube. Only dedicated apps you'll be missing is - chrome, google+, google maps (last two can be browsered, as can google search - but if your in the US, and some other specific countries like india, bing is actually good)
    Are you referring to this? Kiwi for Gmail
    I also think if apple can put iTunes in the store, there's a chance google will also get over themselves.
    This. So much. God I wish these big companies would stop their measuring contests and do what's best for consumers for once. I'm so happy Microsoft is putting as much effort into doing so as they are now, it's making not only Windows, but iOS and Android better as well.
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    05-15-2017 10:43 PM
  8. Noshaba Khatoon's Avatar
    Oh no friend, for maps in India, Bing is terrible. It's antique! I live in a megacity and there has been numerous new construction work happening over the past 2-3 years. New roads, highways, flyovers, buildings, cafes, movies, malls etc. My own study centre is over 2 year old now but none of these are on Bing maps yet. But you'll find them on Google maps easily. That is why Google maps is more trusty than Bing maps at least in India. Even the contact information​ of existing hotels and cafes in Bing maps
    Are dated. One of the key reason for this is that Google makes excellent use of local guides to add any new place or make correction. Bing maps did include a similar thing few months ago but it's good for nothing. I myself added five new places as soon as the feature was rolled out but they still haven't made it to the map yet. It's disappointing. Apart from places, Google also provides us with timetable of local trains and buses which again, as expected, isn't available in bing maps. But i still hear many people liking Bing, so may be in developed countries it's really good and dependable but here in India, definitely no.
    05-15-2017 11:11 PM
  9. Drael646464's Avatar
    Oh no friend, for maps in India, Bing is terrible. It's antique! I live in a megacity and there has been numerous new construction work happening over the past 2-3 years. New roads, highways, flyovers, buildings, cafes, movies, malls etc. My own study centre is over 2 year old now but none of these are on Bing maps yet. But you'll find them on Google maps easily. That is why Google maps is more trusty than Bing maps at least in India. Even the contact information​ of existing hotels and cafes in Bing maps
    Are dated. One of the key reason for this is that Google makes excellent use of local guides to add any new place or make correction. Bing maps did include a similar thing few months ago but it's good for nothing. I myself added five new places as soon as the feature was rolled out but they still haven't made it to the map yet. It's disappointing. Apart from places, Google also provides us with timetable of local trains and buses which again, as expected, isn't available in bing maps. But i still hear many people liking Bing, so may be in developed countries it's really good and dependable but here in India, definitely no.
    google maps runs as an html5 web app in edge browser.
    05-16-2017 12:06 AM
  10. Drael646464's Avatar
    Are you referring to this? Kiwi for Gmail

    This. So much. God I wish these big companies would stop their measuring contests and do what's best for consumers for once. I'm so happy Microsoft is putting as much effort into doing so as they are now, it's making not only Windows, but iOS and Android better as well.
    Yeah kiwi for gmail. It actually makes a good job of taking that mess that smartphone apps would be on a bigger screen, and turning it into a modern UWP experience. The pro version includes a variety of google services (not all of them, but between that and the browser web apps, your not missing anything)

    As for google getting over themselves. My hope is that microsofts "open arms" policy to other platforms makes google and apple look so bad, that they follow suit. But if iTunes, Spotify and WhatsApp feel sufficiently threatened by windows s in schools, to get their
    desktop apps across the centennial bridge, then google will port their iOS apps too via islandwood, if it has any wits about it.

    It would certainly be nice to see apple and google start to act consumer centric, instead of "guarding" and keeping their customers in a box - ie competing on how good their products are, not how much they can supress their customers from being exposed to competitor products.

    And I WILL NOT stop praising MS for being the first to do so.
    05-16-2017 12:11 AM
  11. Jayesh Sharma's Avatar
    Originally posted by Drael646464
    Originally Posted by Eugene Harin
    I don't use Google services at all. Am I normal?
    No, but I don't either. I use google+ but that's it.
    Google+? That was the most unexpected answer😅. For what purpose?
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    05-16-2017 12:12 AM
  12. Drael646464's Avatar
    Google+? That was the most unexpected answer������. For what purpose?
    Google+ is a bit more civil than most social media. It has a strong representation for things like tech, science, academia. It's a good service to use for info that's a little more high brow, and in depth, than most social media goes (facebook is more mainstream full of memes and viral vids, twitter is basically like a celebrity rag).

    If you like reading about advances in science, or more detailed stuff about tech, it can function as a pretty good "social news stream". The layout is also boss next to most social media (multiple colomns like a mag)

    Of course there is some of the typical stuff in there, arguments, and memes, but because each collection is curated, and each group is moderated, its a more controlled environment than FB, twitter, youtube. Trolls get caught. Spammers usually get blocked.

    Also I feel okay using that because its a niche product, still small, google hasn't monetized it yet (ie, unlike search, gmail, or maps, no ads)

    For people in the tech business, programmers, scientists etc, kinda valuable.

    Although I do use youtube too (there's no substaintive alternatives really), I just use an adblocker with it (adguard adblocker in edge does this, as does adblocker for youtube in chrome if you use chrome).

    Mainly I don't like googles treatment of consumers much these days, so I refuse to make them money :P

    I will miss google+ though if it ever gets monetized without an adblocker. I tire of the endless arguments and pettiness, as well as the low brow media on other social media platforms.
    05-16-2017 12:19 AM
  13. Noshaba Khatoon's Avatar
    Whichever way it runs, how does it matter when basic use is not fulfilled? Yes bing map has app and is easier to use, but easier to use for what? To go where? Places that dont even exist yet in the bing map. I gave so many examples. Cosmetics is fine, but it has be useful and functional and that's more important.
    05-16-2017 01:09 AM
  14. Drael646464's Avatar
    Whichever way it runs, how does it matter when basic use is not fulfilled? Yes bing map has app and is easier to use, but easier to use for what? To go where? Places that dont even exist yet in the bing map. I gave so many examples. Cosmetics is fine, but it has be useful and functional and that's more important.
    If you want to use google maps on windows s, you can, via the browser web app.

    There is nothing in google services you cannot use. For most things you can use "kiwi for gmail", for the rest, you can use the edge browser.

    The only thing you cannot is "default search". Which means if you want to use google's search, you'll need to put that in your book marks, or recent apps, and click, instead of typing it into the browser address bar.

    That said I am told bing actually works well in india, as a search (it's hopeless in NZ).

    If google was smart, they'd put the chrome browser in the store, so people could use that and therefor use their google search as default. Perhaps this is why MS has done this. Default browser is a lot less important than default search.

    Personally I don't use bing or google, I use "duckduckgo". I'd use bing but it only works well in some countries.

    But if "windows s" is not for you, use "windows pro". Problem solved!
    05-16-2017 01:15 AM
  15. k1s23's Avatar
    hello. the only google service i use is youtube, and mytube is a great app for that. so for me, yes i can work without google apps in windows 10 s.
    05-16-2017 02:45 AM
  16. peacerohit's Avatar
    I have been using windows devices from more than 4 yrs and I haven't faced any difficulties
    05-16-2017 11:37 PM
  17. Abhishek Yadav14's Avatar
    Your wish for iTune has come true.
    05-17-2017 02:37 PM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    As for google getting over themselves. My hope is that microsofts "open arms" policy to other platforms makes google and apple look so bad, that they follow suit. But if iTunes, Spotify and WhatsApp feel sufficiently threatened by windows s in schools, to get their
    desktop apps across the centennial bridge, then google will port their iOS apps too via islandwood, if it has any wits about it.
    I don't believe the issue is Google "getting over themselves", or Microsoft's "open arms" policy. FWIW, the only people that even notice are WP users, a rapidly dwindling number which is becoming less relevant all the time. It's not like Google is avoiding Microsoft. Google is all over Windows desktop.

    Both companies are doing what most benefits their bottom lines. Switch places, and they would each do what the other is doing. They are both wise in what they're doing. They would be foolish not to. I may not like it, you may not like it, but this is reality.
    Last edited by tgp; 05-17-2017 at 05:11 PM. Reason: Corrected grammar.
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    05-17-2017 03:18 PM
  19. AccentAE86's Avatar
    I boycotted Google a few years ago, around 2012. I used to be such a huge Google fanboy. I don't miss it at all. I don't even use google for searches. ever.
    05-17-2017 04:20 PM
  20. renan_ogliari's Avatar
    It is entirely possible. I don't use Google services for a long time. Microsoft has great tools and services that are competent competitors to what Google offers.
    05-17-2017 04:56 PM
  21. sd4f's Avatar
    If google was smart, they'd put the chrome browser in the store, so people could use that and therefor use their google search as default. Perhaps this is why MS has done this. Default browser is a lot less important than default search.
    I reckon it's the windows phone youtube app all over again.

    Basically Alphabet sees chrome as an app that people want. Alphabet probably doesn't want the MS app store to take off so they won't support it with their products people actually want, all in order to corral consumers into the choice of deciding to grab this 'inferior' OS without their stuff, or stick to where alphabet wants them.

    So far, I'm quite surprised how quite a few apps are making the change to the store. However, I hope that they don't exclude people, and still offer that choice of getting the programs and 'side-loading'.

    Another company to keep an eye out for in how they react to this, will be valve. They aren't keen on MS entering their turf, and will also do things to try to keep the store becoming successful, if they can.
    05-17-2017 07:57 PM
  22. Drael646464's Avatar
    I reckon it's the windows phone youtube app all over again.

    Basically Alphabet sees chrome as an app that people want. Alphabet probably doesn't want the MS app store to take off so they won't support it with their products people actually want, all in order to corral consumers into the choice of deciding to grab this 'inferior' OS without their stuff, or stick to where alphabet wants them.

    So far, I'm quite surprised how quite a few apps are making the change to the store. However, I hope that they don't exclude people, and still offer that choice of getting the programs and 'side-loading'.

    Another company to keep an eye out for in how they react to this, will be valve. They aren't keen on MS entering their turf, and will also do things to try to keep the store becoming successful, if they can.
    Thing is windows could easily more or less fail and slip into obscurity without uwp. It's not like apple and google are just resting. It's in valves best interest to cut a deal. UWP is it, fight it and fight the platform more or less.

    As for google, I don't think they have the strongest desktop potential. I suspect apple is working on an ai search too. Apple is the one who would benefit from MSFT failure. They (google) could lose ad targets with their holdout, even if they do damage their competition. No doubt others will build browsers too (theres already ucbrowser). Google is a search company, they should be ensuring THAT business. People use uwp on desktop, console, tablet and soon mixed reality and window sbooks. Opting out isn't a vote against its standing on the sidelines of a future MSFT is 100% committed to. Theres no playing chicken with that.
    05-17-2017 09:50 PM
  23. Yaswin Prakash S's Avatar
    I think it won't be a problem, since except chrome all other google services can be accessed via web.
    even Edge has come out a long way, and its almost to a level of chrome
    05-18-2017 11:09 AM
  24. JohnnyRedLight's Avatar
    Google+ is a bit more civil than most social media. It has a strong representation for things like tech, science, academia. It's a good service to use for info that's a little more high brow, and in depth, than most social media goes (facebook is more mainstream full of memes and viral vids, twitter is basically like a celebrity rag).

    If you like reading about advances in science, or more detailed stuff about tech, it can function as a pretty good "social news stream". The layout is also boss next to most social media (multiple colomns like a mag)

    Of course there is some of the typical stuff in there, arguments, and memes, but because each collection is curated, and each group is moderated, its a more controlled environment than FB, twitter, youtube. Trolls get caught. Spammers usually get blocked.

    Also I feel okay using that because its a niche product, still small, google hasn't monetized it yet (ie, unlike search, gmail, or maps, no ads)

    For people in the tech business, programmers, scientists etc, kinda valuable.

    Although I do use youtube too (there's no substaintive alternatives really), I just use an adblocker with it (adguard adblocker in edge does this, as does adblocker for youtube in chrome if you use chrome).

    Mainly I don't like googles treatment of consumers much these days, so I refuse to make them money :P

    I will miss google+ though if it ever gets monetized without an adblocker. I tire of the endless arguments and pettiness, as well as the low brow media on other social media platforms.
    Wow! That's quite the sales pitch :) I might have to give it a closer look.
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    05-18-2017 01:54 PM
  25. Ezhik's Avatar
    Well, it all works just fine in Edge. I'm quite annoyed by the search engine thing. Hope MS backtracks on that.
    05-19-2017 03:35 PM
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