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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MacPhisto View Post
    It is the ATIV S. Ballmer showed off the ATIV S, but it's just for Europe.
    nope... telus, bell and rogers in canada will all have the ativ s (it's on telus's website right now)
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    Can I ask where it has ever been revealed or hinted that the "Odyssey" is suppossed to be on the higher end?

    All I can ever remember being officially stated is that the Odyssey is due in December. No specs, nothing. For that metter, no official word or hint of 2 Samsung devices being available either. Just one device. Odyssey.
    Should note that @evleaks did tweet that the "ATIV Odyssey" we're seeing is in fact not based on the Odyssey chassis we saw leaked, and ev has a pretty much spotless track record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryNil View Post
    Should note that @evleaks did tweet that the "ATIV Odyssey" we're seeing is in fact not based on the Odyssey chassis we saw leaked, and ev has a pretty much spotless track record.
    I've heard word that that leaked image is the free phone coming to Verizon, but it is the previously rumored Marco device. 5MP camera, 4" AMOLED at 800x480, 4GB of storage on board, microSD expansion, 512MB RAM, 1Ghz dual core.

    Was told it is not the Odyssey. Both are likely to be available in mid-December. Also hearing that Verizon will be getting a version of the HTC 8S with 8GB storage instead of 4GB that will price in the $50 range on contract.

    The Odyssey is a "premium" device with an HD AMOLED display, which had already been rumored. Was told that it is Samsung's answer to the Lumia 920, so the hint is that it may have some of that camera tech, like a BSI sensor as found on the Galaxy.

    16GB for $199, 32GB for $249.

    Very possible that Verizon will have SIX Windows Phones by January 1.

    Also my contact has claimed to have seen the HTC Zenith in a prototype demo. Apparently has the same 5" 1920x1080 display as found on the Droid DNA - that may be subject to change. They haven't decided on the storage yet, though it appears to have microSD expansion and may be waterproof like the Butterfly J in Japan.

    They are awaiting prototypes from Nokia for the 1000 series quad-core as well, expected with 12MP and OIS.
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    Why must you keep teasing me with new info? Coupled with Verizon's lackluster launch timing of the red 8X is making me wonder if I should wait for the Odyssey. If the red was available in store tomorrow I'd jump on it, but as it is, I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MacPhisto View Post
    I've heard word that that leaked image is the free phone coming to Verizon, but it is the previously rumored Marco device. 5MP camera, 4" AMOLED at 800x480, 4GB of storage on board, microSD expansion, 512MB RAM, 1Ghz dual core.

    Was told it is not the Odyssey. Both are likely to be available in mid-December. Also hearing that Verizon will be getting a version of the HTC 8S with 8GB storage instead of 4GB that will price in the $50 range on contract.

    The Odyssey is a "premium" device with an HD AMOLED display, which had already been rumored. Was told that it is Samsung's answer to the Lumia 920, so the hint is that it may have some of that camera tech, like a BSI sensor as found on the Galaxy.

    16GB for $199, 32GB for $249.

    Very possible that Verizon will have SIX Windows Phones by January 1.

    Also my contact has claimed to have seen the HTC Zenith in a prototype demo. Apparently has the same 5" 1920x1080 display as found on the Droid DNA - that may be subject to change. They haven't decided on the storage yet, though it appears to have microSD expansion and may be waterproof like the Butterfly J in Japan.

    They are awaiting prototypes from Nokia for the 1000 series quad-core as well, expected with 12MP and OIS.
    Not happening
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWindow8 View Post
    Not happening
    What's not happening? The Zenith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaethos View Post
    Why must you keep teasing me with new info? Coupled with Verizon's lackluster launch timing of the red 8X is making me wonder if I should wait for the Odyssey. If the red was available in store tomorrow I'd jump on it, but as it is, I don't know.
    I can't remember if it was Honestabebread or someone else, but the talk was that red will be in the stores on Black Friday (ironic, eh?). I don't really get any info on colors, just phone info.

    I can understand not wanting to wait. I just thought I'd share. Told my contact that the Odyssey looked disappointing. VZW knew of the leaked image and he was told by his superiors that the leaked image was not the Odyssey, but the low-end Marco. That name will probably stick.

    The ATIV name is not supposed to be attached to the low-end phone. Samsung wants the ATIV Windows 8 branding to have some quality associated with it, so while it does share some of the looks of the ATIV line, don't expect it to share the name.

    Most of this stuff came out in the Apple court case anyways. Both the Odyssey and Marco are coming to VZW. I'm surprised all the tech sites jumped on the pictures and forgot about the Samsung Marco.

    It sounds like the 8S is also coming in December.

    So if this does prove true, if Verizon ends up having a high-end Samsung with a HD display (Odyssey), the HTC 8X, the Lumia 822, the HTC 8S with 8GB storage, and the Samsung Marco with 4GB by the middle of December, will anyone be doubting their commitment to WP8? Let's see if it does happen, but I think most of it will.

    I miscounted too. It's five phones by January 1. Still, five WP8 devices within a month and a half or so of launch versus 1 WP7 device over a two year span.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MacPhisto View Post
    The Odyssey is a "premium" device with an HD AMOLED display, which had already been rumored. Was told that it is Samsung's answer to the Lumia 920, so the hint is that it may have some of that camera tech, like a BSI sensor as found on the Galaxy.

    16GB for $199, 32GB for $249.
    Hmmm. Interesting. Guess I'm holding out for an official announcement again.

    Being a premium phone would restore my faith in Verizon and Samsung, honestly. My gripe wasn't that Verizon didn't get the 920. My gripe was that with the ATIV available, getting another mediocre WP phone was a slap in the faces of all us fans.

    Now if I assume based on rumor the premium option is back in play, that is not the ATIV S, with a 4.65 screen, and a fancier camera to compete with the Lumina 920, my hope is that its the Samsung Galaxy camera with a new sexy phone body and smaller cmos sensor.

    A 8-12 mp bsi camera would be awesome. But if its a middle tier product I'll be back here complaining. ;)
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    I would LOVE it if the Odyssey is just the ATIV S with a Verizon logo on it and a better camera or something else to differentiate it.

    I love the design of the ATIV S. Samsung please keep it the same for Verizon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MacPhisto
    So if this does prove true, if Verizon ends up having a high-end Samsung with a HD display (Odyssey), the HTC 8X, the Lumia 822, the HTC 8S with 8GB storage, and the Samsung Marco with 4GB by the middle of December, will anyone be doubting their commitment to WP8? Let's see if it does happen, but I think most of it will.
    As it stands, I went into a Verizon store yesterday, and they had ZERO WP8 devices on hand and said "check back on the 27th". Seriously! Talk about lack of commitment. As a comparison....last weekend I walked into an AT&T store and was able to try out both a Lumia 820 and 920. My local best by also had an AT&T branded HTC 8X.

    We are now PAST the official launch date for the Verizon WP8 devices, and I have yet to walk into any store and actually hold one in my hand. I will try a couple other stores today and see what happens.

    As for your specific predictions? I predict there will be NO HTC 8S for verizon at all. AFAIK, the 8S does not have an LTE radio. I can't see Verizon stocking one unelss they are able to get a version with LTE. I am going to continue to assume that Verizon will not have a "high end" Samsung WP8 device this year.

    So my own prediction (based on zero inside information, but only historical trends), is that Verizon's line-up through the end of this year will be the 822, 8X and "mid range" Samsung "Odyssey"

    I would absolutley LOVE to eat some crow on my own prediction. Really, I hope you are right Mr. MacPhisto...but Verizon has me so jaded that I will refuse to believe it until I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdefuria View Post
    As it stands, I went into a Verizon store yesterday, and they had ZERO WP8 devices on hand and said "check back on the 27th". Seriously! Talk about lack of commitment. As a comparison....last weekend I walked into an AT&T store and was able to try out both a Lumia 820 and 920. My local best by also had an AT&T branded HTC 8X.

    We are now PAST the official launch date for the Verizon WP8 devices, and I have yet to walk into any store and actually hold one in my hand. I will try a couple other stores today and see what happens.

    As for your specific predictions? I predict there will be NO HTC 8S for verizon at all. AFAIK, the 8S does not have an LTE radio. I can't see Verizon stocking one unelss they are able to get a version with LTE. I am going to continue to assume that Verizon will not have a "high end" Samsung WP8 device this year.

    So my own prediction (based on zero inside information, but only historical trends), is that Verizon's line-up through the end of this year will be the 822, 8X and "mid range" Samsung "Odyssey"

    I would absolutley LOVE to eat some crow on my own prediction. Really, I hope you are right Mr. MacPhisto...but Verizon has me so jaded that I will refuse to believe it until I see it.
    Walked into my VZW store and they had a prominent WP8 display that included a Microsoft Surface. Had a lot of people looking at the phones and had two 822s and one 8X that were live and functional for people to play with. The staff also were aware of the features and talked to customers about things like Kids' Corner, the security of the phone, the Nokia exclusive apps, the amps in the 8X, etc. Could just be that your store isn't displaying like its supposed to or they had a problem getting the displays in. The first AT&T store I went to only had the shells of the 820 and 920 to look at and the reps inside had no knowledge of them. I had to go to a bigger store to find one that had a display with live phones. Even then that rep still had no clue. The Verizon people I talked to all knew a lot about WP8.
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    To be fair, it turns out the store that I went to was not actually a retail verizon store, but an affiliate:

    Wireless Zone

    I was thrown off by the fact that the storefront / signage is strictly Verizon Wireless...and those are the only devices they carry. That would at least explain why they didn't have any devices on hand but are expecting them in by the 27th. Still, this is a "Premium Retailer" according to Verizon so I would expect they would at least had devices on hand at launch.

    Anyway...I will go to an actual verizon store today and see how I fare...
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    Yeah, I picked up an 8X yesterday in store, they had a display with a surface, two working 822s, a working 8X and a dummy unit, a Nokia charging plate and the JBL powerup speaker. They were in a nice display with signage and loaded demo OSes and you could try out the NFC an bt and such. All of the employees were wearing WP8 shirts too.
    They didn't actually have the charging plates in stock though, so bummer there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaethos View Post
    Yeah, I picked up an 8X yesterday in store, they had a display with a surface, two working 822s, a working 8X and a dummy unit, a Nokia charging plate and the JBL powerup speaker. They were in a nice display with signage and loaded demo OSes and you could try out the NFC an bt and such. All of the employees were wearing WP8 shirts too.
    They didn't actually have the charging plates in stock though, so bummer there.
    I forgot about the shirts. Yeah, they were wearing the shirts and my store also had the JBL speaker and the charging plate. They were able to demonstrate the NFC function with the 822 to another customer. Should have seen their eyes open wide.

    The AT&T guy at the store I went to had little knowledge about the WP8 devices. There was no special display, they were just in a row with all the other phones. No accessories on display. And the salesman outright lied to me when I said I was a Verizon customer concerning Verizon's data packages and Verizon's coverage (told me Verizon would force me to go with Share Everything if I upgraded, even though I am on a tiered package right now, not unlimited (not true, I can adjust my data packages on my old plan without unlimited calling, only the unlimited data would force a move) and said that AT&T had more LTE coverage than Verizon, then backtracked and said "4G" then backtracked again when I told him HSPA+ is not really 4G like LTE is, and then said Verizon wasn't going to have their whole network converted to LTE anytime soon, even though they had just announced that June was when their network would be fully LTE enable). I went to two AT&T stores and neither really has anything special set up for the Nokias.

    Verizon seemed to be much more interested in Windows Phone just by their knowledge and the employees' willingness to show the devices. I hung out for about a half hour before talking to someone so I could play with the phones - and almost every customer that came in looking for a phone and asking for suggestions was shown the WP8s unless they already knew what they were looking for. And I think about three people ended up leaving with them - all 822s.
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    They seemed quite ready for the WP launch at my store. I think Verizon could steal AT&T's title as the premier WP carrier.
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    Should note that @evleaks did tweet that the "ATIV Odyssey" we're seeing is in fact not based on the Odyssey chassis we saw leaked, and ev has a pretty much spotless track record.
    Verizon to offer free Windows Phone 8 smartphone before the end of the year | The Verge

    I still do not understand why anyone thinks that Samsung will have two WP8 devices in December with Verizon. All the rumors / leaks and tidbits of official info that I read seem to indicate ONE new device in December. And I'm betting it is the "freebie". Likely what Mr Macphisto refers to as code name Marco. Maybe it will officially be named Odyssey....maybe something else. This will cover 3 different price points for verizon using three different manufacturers.

    Unfortunately....none of them is actually what I would consider a true high end device. The only WP8 devices that I would qualify as high end would be a lumia 920 (or variant) or a Samsung ATIV S (or variant). Verizon needs one of those phones in their lineup. I doubt we'll see any such device until well into next year...but I would love to be proved wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdefuria View Post
    Verizon to offer free Windows Phone 8 smartphone before the end of the year | The Verge

    I still do not understand why anyone thinks that Samsung will have two WP8 devices in December with Verizon. All the rumors / leaks and tidbits of official info that I read seem to indicate ONE new device in December. And I'm betting it is the "freebie". Likely what Mr Macphisto refers to as code name Marco. Maybe it will officially be named Odyssey....maybe something else. This will cover 3 different price points for verizon using three different manufacturers.

    Unfortunately....none of them is actually what I would consider a true high end device. The only WP8 devices that I would qualify as high end would be a lumia 920 (or variant) or a Samsung ATIV S (or variant). Verizon needs one of those phones in their lineup. I doubt we'll see any such device until well into next year...but I would love to be proved wrong.
    The court documents that came out during the Apple trial indicated two WP8 devices at the end of the year. The Odyssey with a 4.65" HD AMOLED display and the Marco with a 4" SD AMOLED.

    The ATIV S does not fit the description as it is a 4.8" Super AMOLED.

    But the documents released to the court indicate these items. The Odyssey is a high end device. The Marco is entry level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MacPhisto View Post
    The court documents that came out during the Apple trial indicated two WP8 devices at the end of the year. The Odyssey with a 4.65" HD AMOLED display and the Marco with a 4" SD AMOLED.

    The ATIV S does not fit the description as it is a 4.8" Super AMOLED.

    But the documents released to the court indicate these items. The Odyssey is a high end device. The Marco is entry level.
    And how long ago were those court documents actually put together? As we know...things change. All I know is, at the official WP8 launch event only one Samsung device was named...so that's all I'm expecting to see. I'm still holding out a little hope that it will be a premium device, but I am not confident. At this point all we can do is wait.

    At least my wife was happy enough with the 822 and she will be getting that...at least once either Wallmart or Best Buy gets them in stock in white so we can pick it up for free.

    We almost picked one up at the Verizon store for $100 just so she didn't have to wait....but when they told me there was an additional $30 "upgrade charge" I walked out on principle.

    Is this a Verizon only thing, or are all carriers charging an "upgrade fee" and when did this practice start happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdefuria View Post
    And how long ago were those court documents actually put together? As we know...things change. All I know is, at the official WP8 launch event only one Samsung device was named...so that's all I'm expecting to see. I'm still holding out a little hope that it will be a premium device, but I am not confident. At this point all we can do is wait.

    At least my wife was happy enough with the 822 and she will be getting that...at least once either Wallmart or Best Buy gets them in stock in white so we can pick it up for free.

    We almost picked one up at the Verizon store for $100 just so she didn't have to wait....but when they told me there was an additional $30 "upgrade charge" I walked out on principle.

    Is this a Verizon only thing, or are all carriers charging an "upgrade fee" and when did this practice start happening?
    Verizon was one of the last carriers to add on an upgrade free and they are the second lowest, IIRC. Sprint and AT&T have a $36 upgrade fee. T-Mobile is the lowest at $18.

    Why would Microsoft highlight a low end phone? Why would Verizon even have them announce the low end phone? They just tend to release those, not make sure the partner says something about it to drive up expectations only to disappoint people. Verizon's people are not stupid. The free phone is unannounced. They will make a bigger deal of the Odyssey's launch, but you'll look at their site and see that a second, free phone also went live. That's how they roll.
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    Upgrade fee. A "Permission to do business fee" they should just charge you for permission to go into the store and bask in the glory!

    My cellular costs are approaching my mortgage, it's cheaper to buy a car, and they keep adding fees. But it's a drug, and I'm hooked. I am still awaiting a decent windows phone. 8x is only ok for me. 822 seems to be a better balance of feature / price. But if the rumors hold out, might be better to wait. I have a feeling that they are holding back the details of the new devices because they want people to buy what's currently offered, and not wait. But the spec's are known. They must be, manufacturing would have already begun...
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    Why can't the Odyssey just be the ATIV S with a Verizon logo? I don't understand it.
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    Why can't the Odyssey just be the ATIV S with a Verizon logo? I don't understand it.
    Because the ATIV S was not built with CDMA in mind, from what I understand. There's also some extra features I don't know about that were requested by Verizon.
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    Because the ATIV S was not built with CDMA in mind, from what I understand. There's also some extra features I don't know about that were requested by Verizon.
    Only thing is, we haven't seen evidence of a second Samsung for Verizon in the FCC yet, and if its going to be released before Christmas they are running out of time.
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    Only thing is, we haven't seen evidence of a second Samsung for Verizon in the FCC yet, and if its going to be released before Christmas they are running out of time.
    It's not easy to find things in the FCC database. And the FCC is not the only route to certify a phone. They can use a TCB to do so and have less of a trail of breadcrumbs in the process. A TCB can usually do a certification in less than two weeks, allowing a quick route to market. So they can wait until the last week of November to do cert and have the phone able to be sold by December 13 - and we won't see the FCC's approval if this process is used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MacPhisto View Post
    Why would Microsoft highlight a low end phone? Why would Verizon even have them announce the low end phone?
    That's just it. They Didn't highlight the phone at all. All they gave us was a name and that's it. If Verizon had a premiere phone to compete against the lumia 920 and ATIV S, why wouldn't Verizon want to announced it more specifically to entice people to wait instead of trying out the lumia 920? Microsoft simply mentioned every WP8 device that was launching by year end. Is there one phone due out by year end the MS did not mention?


    They just tend to release those, not make sure the partner says something about it to drive up expectations only to disappoint people.
    Right...and how exactly is stating the NAME of the device...no specs...no pictures....driving up expectations? It's obviously having the exact opposite impact on me. I have zero expectations for the Odyssey. Precisely because all they did was mention its name.

    Verizon's people are not stupid. The free phone is unannounced. They will make a bigger deal of the Odyssey's launch, but you'll look at their site and see that a second, free phone also went live. That's how they roll.
    It looks to me like Verizon rolls by designing custom phone chassis where I can only assume the primary goal is "how can we maximize the size and placement of our hideous logo?"
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