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    With several sites posting about the device expected on May 14 known as EOS, there seems to be a lot of competing rumours. The 41mp camera seems to be a certainty but beyond that I'm not so sure. A 1080p (phablet size possibly) and quad core processor have been the most common however it seems the update required from Microsoft won't be here for a while ruling that out for this release. An aluminium build was originally just for Catwalk but the rumours would now have us believe the EOS will get this as well. At this point it begins to look as if perhaps news sites are just mixing up their devices. So then we assume something like the 920 spec wise (maybe with a super amoled display) with a 808 style camera thrown on, although I'm not sure how wireless charging would work if the back had a giant camera bulging out, I guess Nokia will work their engineering magic.
    So what do you guys think, what can we expect? I'm guessing: 41mp sensor, with OIS (90% sure), duel core Qualcomm processor of some sort (90%), polycarbonate (60%, vs 40% for metal) wireless charging (60%), 4.5" Super AMOLED 720p (80%), 32gb internal, not expandable (50%). Name: Lumia,930 pro (random guess)
    if this is the case it will be hard not to resist.
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    Seems the rumored EOS wont come anytime soon, as wp gallery doesn't handle full resolution preview yet. Except the gdr 2/3 will fix this
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    Quote Originally Posted by handisetyadi View Post
    Seems the rumored EOS wont come anytime soon, as wp gallery doesn't handle full resolution preview yet. Except the gdr 2/3 will fix this
    Would be a bit annoying if they didn't, that teaser with the live tiles showing 4 and 1 seems to hint it. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by handisetyadi View Post
    Seems the rumored EOS wont come anytime soon, as wp gallery doesn't handle full resolution preview yet. Except the gdr 2/3 will fix this
    Same with android (at least the ones I've used) and iOS 6.x .. for some reason they don't do 100% zoom, and I think its because they don't want you to see those pics @ 100% .. too much grain/noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benrp View Post
    With several sites posting about the dice expected on May 14 known as EOS, there seems to be a lot of competing rumours.
    If anything most rumors have been pointing EOS to arrive when GDR3 comes out, somewhere in Q4 2013. The update that after all brings the support of 1080 screens and new SoC's.
    Catwalk though is pretty much give for the May event.
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    I've been following the rumours for the last couple of months and I assume that there's two devices coming up; the Catwalk with Aluminium body, basically a slimline 920, with a move away from the polycarbonate Lumia design. If you think about the 720... which they seem to aim at fashion conscious market... the so called "Catwalk" seems aimed at the same market. I see the EOS as the new flagship, with some version of the Pureview technology. Maybe a 25mp Pureview camera with a floating lens? Whether they have managed to bring this to market by May 14th is a big question mark... cool if they did! & I suppose there is a chance of a release, given that teh 808 was released quite a while ago now... leaving ample time to develop it's successor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemov888 View Post
    given that teh 808 was released quite a while ago now... leaving ample time to develop it's successor?
    1 year.. and considering the platform switch, and the fact that they are probably trying to make it better than the 808.. ya, it takes a while.
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    its more than one year, they didn't start engineering 920 in august-september 2012 you know :) EOS is probably on a drawing board since WP7...2 years at least I'd say
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    More speculation that we might see it on the 14th

    Report Claims 41MP Nokia EOS To Be Announced On May 14 | Pocketnow
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    This guy used to work for Nokia as head of imaging... he was heavily involved with all of Nokia's smartphone cameras all the way up to the 808. He now works for Jaguar, but regardless .. when he tweets something like this from his old account..



    Nokia has my full attention now :)
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    Agreed, Damian is still well respected by everyone who follows Nokia imaging news...
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    OK - some interesting info from MNB:

    Nokia EOS/Catwalk Teaser? “There are no limits to the human imagination” Maybe nothing… : My Nokia Blog

    possibly nothing, but look at that reflection, and then see how BIG that sensor space is !!
    heard that the sensor might move to the upper corner, due to having more space (depth) under the bezel where the screen is not...

    WOW :) if this turns out to be true!!!
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    I am almost sure that it will be the Toshiba HES9 sensor from the 808 ... it doesn't make any sense to spend all that R&D money on it, and use it just for one smartphone, which wasn't advertised at all.

    If they are using the hes9, that means that they can use the amazing carl zeiss optics that came with that package as well :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlad0 View Post
    I am almost sure that it will be the Toshiba HES9 sensor from the 808 ... it doesn't make any sense to spend all that R&D money on it, and use it just for one smartphone, which wasn't advertised at all.

    If they are using the hes9, that means that they can use the amazing carl zeiss optics that came with that package as well :)
    yea, i think youre right - the light field stuff is a year out atleast i think... that will be amazing when it comes out tho!

    As for the 808 lens/sensor array, do you think they can perform the OIS trick on something of that mass? Thats a large box!
    Now, pushing that to the top corner or to the top edge might be something they because then they wont be hampered by the depth limitation that the screen position will give.

    EDIT: did i say i was searching for the meaning to that phrase? :) Nokia really know how to tease us any more:)
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    if they move it to the top the phone is going to lose the holding balance, also it will be a lot bigger for the same screen size...if they keep 4.5" screen it is going to be bigger than Samsung Note
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustToClarify View Post
    if they move it to the top the phone is going to lose the holding balance, also it will be a lot bigger for the same screen size...if they keep 4.5" screen it is going to be bigger than Samsung Note
    maybe not - look at the dimensions of the 928 and its bezels...
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    if they decide taking that path that's gonna be a huuuge bezel :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlad0 View Post
    I am almost sure that it will be the Toshiba HES9 sensor from the 808 ... it doesn't make any sense to spend all that R&D money on it, and use it just for one smartphone, which wasn't advertised at all.
    It was a good sensor but it will have to improve by a fair amount if this 808 successor is going to seriously challenge enthusiast cameras. Cameras with slightly larger 1" sensors easily outperform the 808 by a significant margin when the sensitivity is pushed to ISO 800 and 1600. See the 808 vs the Sony RX100 (Sony sensor) and the Nikon J1(Aptiva sensor)





    As you can see above, the other cameras generate much cleaner files. Their sensors are bigger but not that much bigger.

    That and the blown highlights are two concerns I have on the new Nokia. If they have improved in those areas, it'll be a big winner and I'll get one to replace my large cameras.
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    The sensor is not that bad compared to the others you say.
    Same 808 pic, after a noise reduction filter:

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    Unfortunately even the software noise result cannot really save it. Too many areas in the 808 picture after the noise reduction have been turned into water painting because the 808 image had too much blotchness. Look at the blue sea, it looks like there are swirls all over the place even though it should mostly be flat. Look at where it says "Congo" in Africa. Look at how the "M" in the background has much fuzziness around the line because of the heavy noise reduction.

    I appreciate Nokia took a light approach to noise reduction but the sensor is still too noisy for a phone that's meant to be state-of-the-art in digital photography. It's still better than all the others but I really want a phone that can compete against the good cameras. If I'm fine with running the images through heavy noise reduction on computers afterward, I can just use the iPhones and Galaxys of the world and be happy.
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    But I think those pics are 100% crop, isn't it? When you resize the pics to a common 5mpx image, or even a less than 2 mpx pic for web sharing, the differences would minimize, I hope you know what I mean...
    Oversampling is the main objetive of 808 pureview...
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    Do we know if that 808 pic is a crop from a 1:1 pixel ratio (38Mpix) or distilled/oversampled pureview mode .. ? It makes a huge difference in terms of noise levels.

    I am not saying that the HES9 is the perfect sensor, but its the best one available for mobile phones. Don't forget that all those high end compact cameras have lots of room to play with, which is not the case with the 808. The camera module/space is significantly smaller than any of the 1" sensor devices.


    RX 100: 102 x 59 x 36 mm
    808: 123.9 x 60.2 x 13.9 mm

    RX100: 240 g
    808: 159g

    The RX100 has one purpose only, to take pictures.. the 808/EOS are fully functional smartphones.

    In terms of size / quality .. there is nothing better than the Phase 1 system.

    Here are some pics from the two:

    RX100

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    RX100

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    The RX 100 is better, but the difference is not all that big.. and it should be considering that its a proper camera.

    Also, I don't think any noise filtering will be able to help you with what those 1/3" sensors in the gs4/iphone 5 etc, produce..

    iPhone 5 ( 800 iso )



    Phase 1 pureview mode (800 iso)



    100% crop

    iphone 5


    808


    The oversampling algorithm cleans up a lot of the junk..
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbold2 View Post
    I appreciate Nokia took a light approach to noise reduction but the sensor is still too noisy for a phone that's meant to be state-of-the-art in digital photography. It's still better than all the others but I really want a phone that can compete against the good cameras. If I'm fine with running the images through heavy noise reduction on computers afterward, I can just use the iPhones and Galaxys of the world and be happy.
    err it's best you can get in a <200g device with todays technology, also price of those cameras(RX100 & J1) is quite higher than 808...I think 808 beats pretty much everything in its price range at least for sheer IQ
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    ^ it does.. at $400 its a bargain, even you not using it as your main smartphone


    Report of Nokia EOS encounter describes Lumia 920 / 808 hybrid - GSMArena.com news


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    @vlad0 you beat me to it :) i just saw this...
    wow - i dont mind that look at all, very nice...but it appears that device that was seen was not quite like this...much lighter than 920!
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