10-21-2012 01:59 PM
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  1. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    KDDI unveils HTC J Butterfly (HTL21), the first phone with 5-inch 1080p display -- Engadget

    I must say that HTC released something interesting, with a 5 inch, 440PPI, 1080p IGZO display, S4 Pro, waterproof and all sort of things that make this a true flagship. And it supports all sorts of radios too, a global device as it is.

    Could we expect a similar device running WP8?
    10-17-2012 02:00 AM
  2. cckgz4's Avatar
    Hate the back of that thing
    10-17-2012 02:40 AM
  3. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Yes. we would see something like that. maybe for the titan 3. but more smaller
    10-17-2012 04:34 AM
  4. andrelamont's Avatar
    Super LCD screen 3 :@

    Wish the 8x designed and developed during the same time would have had it
    10-17-2012 05:12 AM
  5. Coreldan's Avatar
    Too big!
    10-17-2012 05:38 AM
  6. Winterfang's Avatar
    HOLY ****.

    HOLY FREAKING ****.

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    10-17-2012 06:24 AM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    Nope, WP only supports up to 1280x768 screens. Probably be WP9 before 1080p screens are supported, by then good old andy would be up to 2K resolutions! :D
    10-17-2012 06:37 AM
  8. AngryNil's Avatar
    If this was a Nexus, I'd be all over it.
    10-17-2012 06:41 AM
  9. Gaichuke's Avatar
    S4 PRO
    5" display
    1080p resolution
    Android

    2020 mAh battery

    ...Something tells me the battery life might be a disappointment.

    But then to the question itself: Yes on the display size, no on the 1080p resolution, not sure on the S4 pro. WP8 has pretty standardized HW so there's not going to be S4 PRO devices until MS is ready.
    10-17-2012 07:48 AM
  10. andrelamont's Avatar
    In this forum there have been many many discussions and threads talking about the value and need for hardware feature X..and this is not one of them.

    I repeat for the Nth time...this is not a message about the need for HW feature X.

    As Theeman mentioned above:
    Nope, WP only supports up to 1280x768 screens. Probably be WP9 before 1080p screens are supported, by then good old andy would be up to 2K resolutions!
    "It's funny because its true" ~ homer simpsons



    There is a pink elephant in the room and it's the pace or cadence of WP OS development and it is having a real world impact. I've never seen a track runner catch the leader by running at the same pace (...well, I guess if the leader fell down).

    OEM for the foreseeable future will always try to push hardware specs as a key differentiator and if the underlying OS can't support X feature then guess what...they won't make match their HW with the OS.

    As of Oct/2012 WP can't support 1920x1080,quad-core and etc (plz no arguments about X feature is not needed) so the hardware on this J Butterfly, or LG Optimus G or Nokia 808 isn't even and option. I repeat, OEM putting their latest R&D products on WP is not an option b/c of the OS limitation. I know user X doesn't need feature X for their use case scenario and that's fine. It's about the OEM putting their very best and lastest R&D hardware in the market and installing WP OS on it.

    There is something about the perception about being first to market with hardware feature X. It brands you as a leader and not a 'me too' brand. And as we all know, perceptions becomes reality. MS needs to make sure that whenever a new HW feature coming that they are the primary OS for showcasing that feature and not a 'me too' OS 6 months later.


    MS isn't helping matters with their spin doctoring. They say WP only needs 1 core so that's why there no OS support...so OEM never gave them their best as HW is the only differentiator they have . On their Surface products when questioned about why it doesn't have the resolution similar to an ipad, instead of stating the obvious, they tried to explain that 1366x768 was better than 2048x1536.

    ~ Raise your hand if you think your SD is actually in the real world better than your HDTV or 4K projector.

    ~ Raise your hand again if you think that Surface Gen 2 will have a higher resolution, thus invalidating their claim that higher resolution is not needed?


    Now back to our regularly scheduled show :D
    10-17-2012 08:17 AM
  11. sueha's Avatar
    If I had the choice between a) a 5 inch with 1080p and b) a 5 inch with 768p with the same battery... I'd take b) in a heartbeat. I don't like the way these hardware trends are going. But I like the way that Nokia/Microsoft are focussing on other components of a good display with the 920/Surface. I think display resolution of mobiles have reached some kind of a peak - let's focus on other things now!
    10-17-2012 08:23 AM
  12. andrelamont's Avatar
    ...But I like the way that Nokia/Microsoft are focussing on other components of a good display with the 920/Surface. I think display resolution of mobiles have reached some kind of a peak - let's focus on other things now!
    I do believe its time to focus on other things (cough software) but something gets under my skin when I hear excuses.

    Imagine a world where Ford or Honda explained their lack of iPod/USB Audio integration by quoting mountains of research that showed consumers still listen to CD more than MP3 so there no need to add that to their 2013 line of cars. Or most people print out their directions so there no real need for in-dash navigation.

    p.s I would never get a 5 inch phone...I would just purchase a 7" tablet and throw it in my man purse (err messenger bag )
    10-17-2012 08:47 AM
  13. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    I think the true hardware features I want from this HTC device would be the IGZO tech and being water jet-resistant (IPX5).

    Still, at least Nokia has a phone with OIS, something truly revolutionary. What is needed for WP to succeed will be to race ahead. But given the pace of the leaders, doubt is creeping in my mind whether MS knows it is lagging ever so slightly at the mobile races. MS, get your thing together.
    10-17-2012 08:54 AM
  14. Winterfang's Avatar
    Is OIS revolutionary enough though? The 920 camera seems on be on equal footing with the GS3/Iphone5/OneX while shooting day light pictures and quality of the video.

    The edge comes on dark shootings and stabilization. Things that are needed yes, but is it really worth the trade off? I personally won't believe that's enough for people to say "I'm going to abandon IOS/Android to get this phone.

    Look at what the future holds, this HTC phone will have better processor (This processor mind you, will be already in the excellent top of the line Note II, Optimus G, OneX+), Huge display, insane resolution, waterproof (why isn't this standard?).

    While the 920 definitely would had hold it's own at the beggining of the year, it will be a bit behind when it comes out this November and obsolete by next year if this HTC will be the norm.

    Other Windows Phone are paring even worse, the 8X and ATIV don't have a huge diferentiator like OIS. Hardware wise, the future looks bleak. And please saying Android is laggy is not really an excuse right now, later devices are smooth as ever, specially Jelly Bean ones.
    10-17-2012 09:15 AM
  15. stmav's Avatar
    Even if I have a friend who has an Evo 4g LTE that is less than a month old that lags and freezes constantly?
    10-17-2012 09:41 AM
  16. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    Is OIS revolutionary enough though? The 920 camera seems on be on equal footing with the GS3/Iphone5/OneX while shooting day light pictures and quality of the video.
    It isn't the be-all, end all of features, but it is something that should be advertised in its completed form.

    The edge comes on dark shootings and stabilization. Things that are needed yes, but is it really worth the trade off? I personally won't believe that's enough for people to say "I'm going to abandon IOS/Android to get this phone.
    I don't believe it either, but the combination of features of OIS, wireless charging, super sensitive touchscreen and bright, vivid colours and this may sway a few buyers this holiday season.


    Look at what the future holds, this HTC phone will have better processor (This processor mind you, will be already in the excellent top of the line Note II, Optimus G, OneX+), Huge display, insane resolution, waterproof (why isn't this standard?).
    Just note, the waterproof is only really just water-jet proof, not exactly sink-your-phone-into-liquid-and-it-will-be-fine waterproof. Though I agree with you, that's a good thing and should be a standard.

    While the 920 definitely would had hold it's own at the beggining of the year, it will be a bit behind when it comes out this November and obsolete by next year if this HTC will be the norm.
    I don't think it is so behind, but certainly, quad core is needed for marketing purposes at least. And the S4 Pro is a good platform, so I hope Nokia adapts it quickly.

    Other Windows Phone are paring even worse, the 8X and ATIV don't have a huge diferentiator like OIS. Hardware wise, the future looks bleak. And please saying Android is laggy is not really an excuse right now, later devices are smooth as ever, specially Jelly Bean ones.
    This is one of the issues facing WP, that WP doesn't have killer hardware from the other manufacturers, and that sort of makes Nokia the trend-setter by default. At least till MS comes up with their own hardware. And Androids are getting better, but still, they are messy.

    What I hope to come from MS though is a sense of the future rather than chasing the 'present'. At the rate they are going, they will only be perpetual challengers.
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    10-17-2012 09:42 AM
  17. Winterfang's Avatar
    Even if I have a friend who has an Evo 4g LTE that is less than a month old that lags and freezes constantly?
    You don't know what lag is until you open Slacker Radio on my Optimus 7. I'm talking about 5 second delay between each swipe.

    I want the best, Windows Phone 8 devices are going to cost the same as their high end Android counterparts but don't offer near enough. What happened to the Trend setter Microsoft? They won't catch up at this pace, when none release device have worst specs that phones that came out months ago. What are they thinking?
    10-17-2012 09:50 AM
  18. stmav's Avatar
    Even though my present evo lags and freezes and aggrevates me, it's not 5 seconds. I probably would have thrown it against the wall by now.
    10-17-2012 09:53 AM
  19. Winterfang's Avatar
    Well I don't blame the OS entirely, is mostly that Slacker Radio can't give two **** about this OS. So is not optimize. I'm not exagerating when I'm telling you that between opening the app and music starting play it takes around 8 minutes. That's a quarter of my morning commute musicless. =(
    10-17-2012 09:57 AM
  20. sueha's Avatar
    Imagine a world where Ford or Honda explained their lack of iPod/USB Audio integration by quoting mountains of research that showed consumers still listen to CD more than MP3 so there no need to add that to their 2013 line of cars. Or most people print out their directions so there no real need for in-dash navigation.
    I don't think your comparison is adequate though. I simply dont think that customers would notice the difference between a ~332dpi and a ~441dpi display. So they wouldn't miss it like they would miss MP3 support with their CD Audio. But they would notice the battery difference. Using 768p on a 5-inch-display still would be ~298 dpi. I simply hate the fact that nowadays display quality is measured by its dpi value.
    10-17-2012 12:09 PM
  21. tk-093's Avatar
    Everybody fell for the Apple DPI crap.....
    10-17-2012 12:42 PM
  22. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    Everybody fell for the Apple DPI crap.....
    I wish everybody did. My monitor isn't exactly at 4K yet.

    It's good that technology gets better though. And Apple just pushed it first.
    10-17-2012 01:02 PM
  23. Winterfang's Avatar
    Higher resolutions are something that needed to be pushed. Good screens aren't only measure by DPI, hence why the 720p SLCD2 and 720p SAmoledHD are totally different monsters.
    10-17-2012 01:31 PM
  24. SnailUK's Avatar
    I swear you all need to go to Android and be done with it.

    There is just no way a closed source OS can keep up with the rapid evolution of hardware on Android, especially given the marketshare.

    By the same measure, Android developers simply don't have the time to optimise their hardware properly initially, because they are in such a race to deliver the next best phone.

    Stats are great for getting geeks excited, but optimisation, and properly architected stuff takes time. Hence why a dual core 1.3ghz iPhone can easily keep up with the best Android has to offer.

    There is soo much to phone performance, yet everyone chooses to focus on the simple stats, rather than all the important stuff.

    Its like saying 250bhp or 8 cylinders make a car fast. They contribute, but weight, aerodynamics, gearing, and many other factors all work into the equation.
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    10-17-2012 02:10 PM
  25. Winterfang's Avatar
    Is hard not to get excited when that processor has being proven to work beautiful on Recent high end Android devices. Instead of praising Microsoft to staying behind we should encourage them to push forward.
    10-17-2012 03:20 PM
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