- 11-09-2012, 11:03 AM #251
thanks for the input. she didn't know if it was going to be an iconic device. sounds like iconic is the system they are moving to. I know I cant preorder, but the other issue I have is they are moving my upgrade date early a month and a half for the device (which I do appreciate :-) ) So I couldn't preorder since my upgrade date hasn't hit.
I am hoping to be able to call in on the 13th or 15th or whatever, and just bill it to the account. if not...I gotta call the VZW store that is about 45 minutes away, see if they have it in stock, and then drive there and bill it to the account there :-/
- 11-09-2012, 04:08 PM #252
Called VZW sales again. Guy I talked to was very helpful . Said bill to account was available and that if the phone was shipping by the 13th, then you should be able to order it on the 13th. Said plenty of phones will be available, so don't worry about preordering.
- 11-10-2012, 01:05 AM #261
- 11-10-2012, 11:43 AM #263
It's a 4.3 inch screen. Frankly, I couldn't really see a huge difference between the 820 and 920 screens I saw at the AT&T store other than the 820 was brighter. The higher pixel density will mean higher battery draw and more heat generated from the display.
Two things push the 822 over the top for me. Expandable storage (music buff) and Nokia apps. Liked the 820 better than the 920 in many ways when they were announced but the lack of Gorilla Glass was a killer. As soon as I saw the 822 was getting GG2.0, I became very interested in it.
The 8X is a nice phone, don't get me wrong. I think the 822 is a more versatile phone. And I have heard what Honestabread said, the 822's reception is incredible. The AT&T guy I talked to (was just wanting to look at the phones) said the 820 had better reception than the 920 and was the best he had ever seen. If the 822 is the same, this could be an incredible phone at an equally incredible price.
11-10-2012, 02:51 PM #264
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- 11-10-2012, 03:29 PM #265
- 11-10-2012, 04:25 PM #266
The 822 is an awesome phone, like I've said since the beginning. I have no idea why people hate on it. The main reason I'm getting the 8X is the design. I don't like any of Nokia's designs (including the L900). Apps aren't important to me. The 822 is 100, charging cover is probably gonna be $40, so that's $60 more for a better screen and better design. I know my reps are gonna push the 822 hard though because we're in a very tough signal area, we're still the best carrier in our area but letting a customer out the door with a Samsung normally results in a return.
- 11-10-2012, 09:26 PM #268
The 920 did not come to Verizon because AT&T guaranteed they would sell X number of the phone (I have not idea how big that number is). So Nokia got an upfront payment for most of those phones and AT&T pledged to heavily subsidize the phones to make sure they move.
Verizon does not go crazy with subsidies when a phone comes out and they aren't willing to go too heavy on guaranteed sales. They are willing to buy several hundred thousand at a time to stock their brick and mortar and online.
Nokia did not want to give them the phone without a pledge for sales volume and a pledge to deliver the phone below $150. Verizon wanted to slot the 32GB Lumia 92X at $250, not at $150. Nokia gave them the flexibility to price out the 822. HTC gave them that ability. Samsung has.
So I wouldn't hold my breath unless Nokia delivers a variant that Verizon can price as they see fit. The variant was supposed to have a high MP sensor (I had heard 12 like others had). It likely would look a bit different so it wouldn't violate the "exclusive" status for AT&T. Verizon prefers to have rounded edges, so that would be a fair bet. There was also some mention back in September that it might be 1280x720 instead of 768.
I personally don't see them launching anything like that before Christmas. The ATIV Odyssey (S) is supposed to launch at $250 and be their top end WP8 device. They originally had not planned on adding the Samsung until later so it would not compete with the Nokia. I think they are more likely to wait for the Quad-core Nokia with OIS that is due early next year. HTC has a quad coming as well (Zenith).
The HTC 8S is coming and I think it may hit middle December. They had hoped to have four WP8 devices by Christmas. That tells you how committed VZW is this time.
- 11-10-2012, 10:41 PM #269
That's all very reassuring.
I'm excited for Verizon's WP8 future.
I understand the subsidizing AT&T offered was pretty amazing, and I hope it works for them. I should be just fine with an 8X/ATIV Odyssey. Wish the Odyssey was more stand out design wise... Right now it's invisible.
- 11-10-2012, 11:39 PM #270
Basically AT&T has had the concept for a while that the company that offers the coolest, most advanced phones will get the most customers. Verizon thinks that the company with the best and most stable network will attract more customers and that most people just want a good phone that does what they want.
AT&T will try to push people into a certain phone. Verizon tends to have the phones classified based on the type of user and encourages placing a customer with a phone that matches their need and their budget, if need be.
That's why when Apple came knocking with the iPhone, Verizon was not inclined to listen, especially since Apple demanded a lot from them. They didn't want to give so much to a company that had yet to make a cell phone. They also knew that it would drive up data usage and cause stress on their network if it was successful. VZW also was in a good and stable place. AT&T was on less solid ground and the iPhone did help them build up their customer base, but Verizon did not suffer long term either.
If Nokia makes a 920 variant for Verizon it will be because they agreed to play by Verizon's rules. I know that Verizon would be happy to sell that phone. They want a strong WP8 portfolio because they want WP8 to surpass Android and iOS in sales for them. WP8 looks to be more profitable for them than the other two and the execs love how it works.
I think they'll have at least six WP8 devices by the time March rolls around, maybe up to eight. Then the quad cores will roll out.
I know they are getting the HTC 8S at some point in the not too distant future and selling it for $50 on a two year contract.
- 11-11-2012, 01:20 AM #274
I think the quad core phones are less worth it on Windows Phone than on Android or iOS. I've heard more than one reviewer reference that the dual core WP8 devices are more responsive than the quad core Android devices.
I think quad core makes a lot of sense for game developing on phones but not much else. I could see some higher end games coming out in the Windows Phone Store in the future that would want quad core, but all the apps in the store will be build for the dual core WP8 devices at this point.
If you primarily use it for email, web, phone calls, texting, and some apps then I'd guess the dual core would be just fine.
- 11-11-2012, 01:25 AM #275
I think both AT&T and Verizon would love to say goodbye to the iPhone now, but they can't. The dream is for WP8 to grow, Droid to stay strong, and BB10 to make a decent dent at the bottom next year to make the iPhone go down to 15% or less for Verizon so they can try to push it aside as much as possible.
If Verizon and AT&T both grew enough sales outside of iOS and both decided to dump it, what could Apple do in response? I think both would hope the threat would allow them to treat Apple like any old phone maker.