12-03-2012, 02:58 PM #26
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Thanks. I'm realizing the same points that you brought up. The only reason I see to wait at this point is for a price drop. I could wait for the supposedly rumored new flagship phones or else feel bitter about waiting long enough for the next big smartphone or the device that has everything I'm looking for. This could lead to waiting a very long time.
- 12-03-2012, 03:25 PM #27
I would not worry about it. The wait on Verizon is going to be short for the flagship devices, Verizon is clearly all-in on Windows Phone now.
Based on the rumors which have generally been pretty accurate the timeframe is below:
Samsung flagship (Odyssey): 2-4 weeks
HTC flagship (Zenith): 2-3 months
Nokia flagship (922): 2-4 months
Any of these three will likely fit the bill, and you won't be waiting that long to get your hands on them.
Besides, it will save you some spare cash to spend on XMAS gifts ;)
- 12-03-2012, 03:38 PM #28
I work for Verizon and currently Verizon is in process of negotiation to bring three new devices to its line up by the end of March. However the WP sales are very disappointing and the faith of WP8 is probably will be the same as WP7. I am hoping WP will be successful as a whole so it can push Verizon to be more WP friendly
- 12-03-2012, 04:51 PM #29
I stopped by an AT&T store over the weekend and the first question they asked me was if I had seen the new Window's phone and they took me right to the Lumia 920 (though it was out of stock)
IMO, for Verizon to do better with WP8 they need to get better hardware, especially for the early adopters, as well as do a better/more consistent job of selling the phones and OS.
- 12-03-2012, 06:27 PM #30
- 12-03-2012, 08:41 PM #31
Tcmann88, not sure where you get the "impossible" line, I'm on att and went into 3 Verizon stores where I live and not one of them had a WP phone on display and only 1 store actually was willing to show me one from " out of the back " made me glad that I was on att, this was two days ago, I had gone with a friend to look at the phones trying to convert him to WP.
- 12-03-2012, 09:07 PM #32
- 12-04-2012, 12:19 AM #36
Verizon still has no WP8 "hero" phone, which is a bit of a necessity for geeks to really push mid- and lower-end phones. If Verizon had the 920 at launch, I'm sure their whole lineup would perform better. I know they tried to make the 8X into a hero phone, but there is simply too much missing from it to be in that class. And the 822's design frankly looks a bit dated compared to the Nokia phones on AT&T.
I believe Verizon will keep the faith simply to give them alternatives to Apple and Google, both of which would be more costly for them than WP8 for different reasons. But they need to fill the high end void on WP8 devices...
12-04-2012, 08:46 AM #37
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I'm going to sit tight and wait for MWC. WP8 is not compelling enough to switch to at this point. 7.8 is coming and that will hold me over until the next wave of devices hit (hopefully VZW doesn't bail on their plans). In the meantime, 8 will become more mature.
- 12-04-2012, 09:48 AM #38
if VZW had been able to have the 920 (or a variant of it) this year, i would have left my regional carrier for them in a heartbeat. i do think the 8x is pretty sweet, and the 822 is nice, as well, but knowing the 920 is out there, i just couldn't make the jump yet. to me, the 2 things it has over the 8x are more storage and a better camera, and those are 2 things that just happen to matter enough to keep me waiting.
the Ativ phone will be interesting, and i'll definitely give it a look, but i am thinking i will wait until spring to see what new windows phones show up on Verizon.
- 12-10-2012, 10:03 PM #41
When I first saw the 822 I was disgusted! Now after handling it and reading mostly positive reviews I have warmed up to it. Just to show how much I have changed I really don't know what I'll do if Verizon does get a 9xx. The lack of a removeable battery could really be what makes me choose the 822.
- 12-21-2012, 07:32 AM #42
Originally Posted by tcman88
12-21-2012, 08:44 AM #43
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VZW doesn't invest in their network just to brag. They invest in it because they are all about customer experience, not necessarily the latest and greatest for tech geeks. Often the latest and greatest doesn't work so well when it is first deployed and that affects customer experience. Verizon has always been willing to let their competitors be the ones that have the issues while Verizon's customers continue to be satisfied.
- 12-22-2012, 10:36 AM #45
Up until June 2012, AT&T had offered the following Windows Phones I am aware of in total:
HTC Titan II
Nokia Lumia 900
Samsung Focus Flash
Samsung Focus S
Samsung Focus 2
Verizon had offered the following through June 2012:
Now, being someone who likes Windows Phone, I was planning on leaving Verizon if the trend continued. Thankfully, Verizon saw the light and is doing much better now. I plan to stick with Verizon, but I'm still waiting for that killer device to replace my Trophy!
Last edited by Ruined; 12-23-2012 at 11:00 AM.
- 12-23-2012, 10:26 PM #46
Verizon abandoned the device agenda in February of 2012. Next year there's talk of offering payment plans on phones and cheaper plans if you don't do a contract. Similar to how tabs dropped to $10 a month ($20 of you add 2 more gigs) with no contract and a loan program if you can't afford the phone full price. Verizon really likes how the UK phone system works. No subsidies would mean they could lower plans say $20 a month but in reality they'd make more.
- 12-24-2012, 11:55 AM #47
Another option is to make the gap between off contract and on contract smaller by eliminating free smartphones and increasing prices across the board on contract. The only problem with this is that people may switch carriers for a cheaper phone they want in particular, though I think more likely people will just get a lower spec'd phone. This includes raising prices (or keeping them high, at least) both at Verizon stores and third party (i.e. Amazon, Walmart) plus through black Friday, etc. Instead of making phones free on black Friday, throw in free accessories etc.
Finally, if buying off contract is Verizon's agenda, Windows phone should be their #1 investment. There is a very simple reason for this: competition resulting in lower phone prices combined with users willing to spend more money.
* With Apple, there is no competition and thus they can charge ridiculous prices Therefore getting iPhone users to pay more upfront will be unlikely as it simply will be too much money. Plus, Verizon themselves gets to pay the "Apple tax."
* With Google, there is lots of competition, but the userbase on average is used to getting free phones and free apps (Google's Play store makes something like 1/10th of apple's comparing the top 100 apps). Heck, even the OS is free for the phone manuf. Therefore getting Android users to pay more upfront will be unlikely as quite simply they are used to getting stuff for free and will probably continue that trend. And Verizon gets to pay the support costs that go along with a wild-wild-west free and openly modifiable OS.
* With Windows Phone, you have the multi-manufacturer competition, but the phones and apps are NOT geared towards getting everything for free. Therefore, you get devices priced lower than Apple and users more likely to buy them as they are used to spending money for stuff. No Apple tax, no wild wild west, either.
* With BlackBerry, the brand is simply too tarnished now (think where Microsoft was with Windows Mobile 6.5), and it will take a long sustained effort to change that. Frankly, I'm not sure RIM has the resources to turn it around. And I don't think anyone would take a large financial risk on a BB10 for that reason.
So, that is why Verizon should be putting Windows Phone center stage. It may take some time, but in the end I believe Windows Phone is the most healthy for Verizon overall. You just need to show it to people and sell them on why its better for them, too.
Last edited by Ruined; 12-24-2012 at 12:13 PM.
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