We need Denim update to get Windows Mobile 10

[Chintan Gohel]

Hi guys,

according to these 2 sites, Windows Mobile 10 will start rolling out around December and only to those phones that have denim update or higher.
Windows 10 will start rolling out to phones in December | The Verge
FAQ - Will Windows 10 update be available for my Lumia phone? - Microsoft - USA

So one point we can note is that we still have a lot of testing to do. For sure there will be more builds coming our way.

Second point is that only denim phones will get update. This begs the question, how can we make sure we all have denim?

For example, in my country (Kenya) these phones haven't received denim update, 9 months since Denim came out:

1. Lumia 625
2. Lumia 630
3. Lumia 820
4. Lumia 920
5. Lumia 925
6. Lumia 1020 (my phone)
7. Lumia 1320

Africa
In these countries, it's more or less the same
Zambia - 1320, 1020, 625, 630, 820, 920, 925
Angola - 1520, 520, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925
Ghana - 1320
Mozambique - 1520, 520, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925
Nigeria - 1320
Tanzania - 1020, 1320, 625, 820, 920, 925
Uganda - 1020, 1320, 625, 820, 920, 925

Libya, Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Senegal, Tunisia, South Africa - all the lumias in those countries have the denim update

In Europe
Albania, Austria, Bosnia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Cyprus, Germany, Denmark, Estonia, Spain, Finland, France, UK, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Sweden, Turkey, Norway, Poland, and all the other countries in Europe

In these countries, denim is not available for the models indicated
Azerbaijan, Belarus, Czech republic, Russia - 630
Ireland - 625

In Asia-Pacific
Australia, Bangladesh, Brunei, China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, India, Cambodia, Laos, Sri Lanka, Mongolia, Malaysia, Nepal, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan.
Basically all Asia Pacific have denim availability on their lumia phones

Middle East
Yemen, UAE, Bahrain, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Qatar and Saudi Arabia
Basically all lumia models in all middle Eastern countries have denim availability

Latin America
Bolivia, Brazil,

Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, Puerto Rico, Paraguay - 1020;
Chile - 1020, 620, 720, 920, 925;
Costa Rica - 1020, 625, 820,
Dominican republic - 1020, 820, 920
Guatemala - 1020, 820, 925
Honduras - 1020, 920
Jamaica - 1320, 520, 625, 620, 820
Mexico - 1020, 820, 920
Nicaragua - 1020, 920, 925
Peru - 920, 920
El Salvador - 1020, 820, 925
Uruguay - 1020, 1320, 1520, 520, 625, 820, 920
Venezuela - 1020, 620, 925

Here it can be seen that the 20 and 25 series of Lumias have not received denim update

North America
USA-1320, 520, 530, 620, 635, 820, 920, 925

Canada has for all

This is the short of it. Latin America and African countries are missing out on the Denim update for more than a dozen phone models in more than 20 countries combined. A few countries don't even have cyan update. The denim update is available for almost all Lumia models as can be seen in Europe and Asia.

It doesn't make sense for African and Latin American countries to miss out on the Denim update and hence Windows Mobile 10 in the future.

Is there something we can do about this? Who can we push for complete rollout of the denim update worldwide?

 

[TechFreak1]

Double Post and why are you quoting yourself? :grin:

 

[milkyway]

or you could just install the Windows Insider app on these devices and get W10...

 

[Chintan Gohel]

Double Post and why are you quoting yourself? :grin:

That was an error, I'm not very familiar with the way these forums work

Sorry

 

[TechFreak1]

That was an error, I'm not very familiar with the way these forums work

Sorry

Fair enough, no need to apologise .

 

[Chintan Gohel]

or you could just install the Windows Insider app on these devices and get W10...

I know I can install Windows 10 insider preview but that is not a solution for the hundreds of thousands of users worldwide who don't have denim update

 

[tut1234]

I know I can install Windows 10 insider preview but that is not a solution for the hundreds of thousands of users worldwide who don't have denim update

To upgrade to Denim you do have to have your carrier approve an update, my L520 on ATT does not yet have Denim officially.
You are correct in that, not everyone will get Denim right away.
So this means it could take awhile for everyone to get 10, if at all. Daniel talked about this in one of his posts, I'll see if I can find the link.

One time after rolling back to 8.1, I went to install Windows 10 Insider, it said my hardware was not supported.
So, I installed Preview for Developers (this updates 8.1), then went back to the store and it allowed me to install 10 Insider.
it was probably looking for Denim.

EDIT: I can't find the link, but basically he said, if your device is not on the first list on supported devices, just stay in the Insiders program. That could also apply to waiting for carrier support as well.

 

[Chintan Gohel]

To upgrade to Denim you do have to have your carrier approve an update, my L520 on ATT does not yet have Denim officially.
You are correct in that, not everyone will get Denim right away.

As far as I know, it's only in the US where carriers approve updates. If you check the availability of denim in the African countries, denim isn't available regardless of which carrier you're on