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  1. terdferguson3's Avatar
    Whoa, who would have thought? ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿ‘ค
    11-03-2016 05:37 PM
  2. Timbre70's Avatar
    It's been getting better in the sense that it's not so buggy. But then, it should be this way from day one, and should become great by now. Fact is, many apps are now gone!
    11-03-2016 06:55 PM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think it's coming along quite nicely.
    11-03-2016 07:08 PM
  4. patcherd's Avatar
    ...and it will only get better.
    abhishek singh21 and TgeekB like this.
    11-03-2016 07:27 PM
  5. etphoto's Avatar
    I am happy with it.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    11-03-2016 08:01 PM
  6. daimv's Avatar
    Yes
    11-03-2016 08:19 PM
  7. terdferguson3's Avatar
    Right after I wrote this post my camera crashed on 950xl lol. Oh well๐Ÿฒ

    Originally posted by terdferguson3
    Whoa, who would have thought? ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿ‘ค
    Shamshi-Adad and petvas72 like this.
    11-03-2016 08:35 PM
  8. zocster's Avatar
    I'm on non insider and am happy

    Sent from mTalk on 950XL
    abhishek singh21 and Cryio like this.
    11-03-2016 08:51 PM
  9. AndyD33's Avatar
    I'm happy now that I moved to the fast ring. The latest release preview build broke notifications on my phone and made it useless.
    11-03-2016 08:56 PM
  10. EspHack's Avatar
    it is, but I realized it was mostly placebo effect after getting used to how bad it was, it feels like now its so perfect, but my gf's iphone showed me how wrong I was

    just got me thinking, iphone 5s is a dual core 1gb ram device, 92x lumias are the same, yet see how they run, that iphone can keep more than twice the apps than my icon in background and resume all of them instantly, and they are richer apps to boot, steve on AAWP says RS2 is way faster, and it excites me but at the same time I'm like.. yea, it should be, its no celebration matter really, its just catching up to stuff

    sure it must run perfectly on some 950's and X3s, but mind you, if you don't pay a performance penalty on w10 over 8.1 you pay a battery life one, no way around that, just imagine how long would that 950 last you if it was on 8.1
    11-03-2016 11:02 PM
  11. milkyway's Avatar
    There was a definite performance improvement with the latest cumulative update to 14393. My 1020 "seems faster" and on par wit WP8.1
    According to allaboutwindowsphone RS2 is even faster than RS1. I think the Creators Update is where W10M will finally be a really awesome OS
    Shamshi-Adad and pedmar007 like this.
    11-04-2016 02:05 AM
  12. Ariel Takom's Avatar
    It's been getting better in the sense that it's not so buggy. But then, it should be this way from day one, and should become great by now. Fact is, many apps are now gone!
    No software can be bug-free since day one, but for W10M, it is not acceptable since the amount of bugs that it had was way too much for a day-one release. Looking at other softwares like iOS or Android, yes, they do have bugs when they were first released. However, these bugs were not groundbreaking and number only a few.

    But for what it's worth, W10M really have moved forward from those days. Even now on FR, the latest builds are so stable, I'm not even sure if I'm actually beta testing for Microsoft anymore. But then again, no major features had been added except for the Update thingy that came with the build released today.
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    11-04-2016 03:03 AM
  13. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Originally posted by EspHack
    it is, but I realized it was mostly placebo effect after getting used to how bad it was, it feels like now its so perfect, but my gf's iphone showed me how wrong I was

    just got me thinking, iphone 5s is a dual core 1gb ram device, 92x lumias are the same, yet see how they run, that iphone can keep more than twice the apps than my icon in background and resume all of them instantly, and they are richer apps to boot, steve on AAWP says RS2 is way faster, and it excites me but at the same time I'm like.. yea, it should be, its no celebration matter really, its just catching up to stuff

    sure it must run perfectly on some 950's and X3s, but mind you, if you don't pay a performance penalty on w10 over 8.1 you pay a battery life one, no way around that, just imagine how long would that 950 last you if it was on 8.1
    I do believe that Apple have full control over their specs, especially their own processors. Everyone else buys stuff in.

    The latest Apple chips are pretty good performers. My iPad mini 3 absolutely hammers my wife's Samsung Galaxy tab, running Supposed far better specs. Heck, it even gives my 950xl a good run. 2 cores V 8 cores, go figure!
    11-04-2016 03:36 AM
  14. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Originally posted by Ariel Takom
    Originally Posted by Timbre70
    It's been getting better in the sense that it's not so buggy. But then, it should be this way from day one, and should become great by now. Fact is, many apps are now gone!
    No software can be bug-free since day one, but for W10M, it is not acceptable since the amount of bugs that it had was way too much for a day-one release. Looking at other softwares like iOS or Android, yes, they do have bugs when they were first released. However, these bugs were not groundbreaking and number only a few.

    But for what it's worth, W10M really have moved forward from those days. Even now on FR, the latest builds are so stable, I'm not even sure if I'm actually beta testing for Microsoft anymore. But then again, no major features had been added except for the Update thingy that came with the build released today.
    I hazard a guess that now the core is 'better' than it was, and the overall stability of the previews on fast, new things will start to appear. Only snag with that is that it will invariably break something else. The UUP, and the data management settings could be the set up for the next stage to begin flighting. If 1st Q 2017 is RS2 release target, it's only 5 months, so expect things to pick up exponentially.
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    11-04-2016 03:41 AM
  15. a5cent's Avatar
    I do believe that Apple have full control over their specs, especially their own processors. Everyone else buys stuff in.

    The latest Apple chips are pretty good performers. My iPad mini 3 absolutely hammers my wife's Samsung Galaxy tab
    The performance advantages and superior efficiency (performance/watt) of Apple's mobile products ARE NOT (primarily) the result of Apple having full control over their CPU design. Most of the benefits are a direct result of the differences in the software technologies used to build iOS apps!
    11-04-2016 04:51 AM
  16. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Originally posted by a5cent
    Originally Posted by Mad Cabbie
    I do believe that Apple have full control over their specs, especially their own processors. Everyone else buys stuff in.

    The latest Apple chips are pretty good performers. My iPad mini 3 absolutely hammers my wife's Samsung Galaxy tab
    The performance advantages and superior efficiency (performance/watt) of Apple's mobile products ARE NOT (primarily) the result of Apple having full control over their CPU design. Most of the benefits are a direct result of the differences in the software technologies used to build iOS apps!
    So, iOS is less hungry? Sure I read somewhere on here (could be wrong, usually am), that the Apple chip architecture was pretty much specific to the way in which iOS was set up, and by Apple overseeing the entire process from the chip to the hardware to ensure optimisation gave favourable results. I guess that's what you we're basically saying anyway? I've had a couple of iMac G5's in the past for DJing, and they always offered the most reliable and stable performance. As you state, it's probably the way the OS, or iOS is coded for optimisation.

    Thanks Ascent! Long time no converse. ;-)
    11-04-2016 05:12 AM
  17. decider's Avatar
    I can't wait until I can go back to windows. I was forced to go back to Android cause I seriously needed a couple needed apps
    Shamshi-Adad and Cryio like this.
    11-04-2016 06:00 AM
  18. dicks-webos's Avatar
    I am really really happy with my 950 on Release Preview ring. The camera update last week is really really good. Battery drain is like 2,5% per hour and so it will easily take me through the day. I just flashed back to RS1 as RS2 was giving me battery drain. I like the phone, the OS, the apps and it makes me feel I get things done. The fact that it has "dark mode" is also really good, I can't stand the "flashlighty" screens of Android.
    Hoekie, Blomsternisse and neo158 like this.
    11-04-2016 06:58 AM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    So, iOS is less hungry? Sure I read somewhere on here (could be wrong, usually am), that the Apple chip architecture was pretty much specific to the way in which iOS was set up, and by Apple overseeing the entire process from the chip to the hardware to ensure optimisation gave favourable results. I guess that's what you we're basically saying anyway? I've had a couple of iMac G5's in the past for DJing, and they always offered the most reliable and stable performance. As you state, it's probably the way the OS, or iOS is coded for optimisation.

    Thanks Ascent! Long time no converse. ;-)
    Well, the chip design is somewhat specific to iOS, but that probably doesn't mean what most people think it does. At it's most basic level it's still a standard ARM chip which is the same ISA everyone else in mobile is using. There is nothing specific about that.

    At a higher level Apple has the freedom to combine SoC subsystems in ways that are best suited to their devices, e.g. if Apple designs a new phone where the pixel count of the display is doubled, then they can incorporate a GPU that completes raster operations exactly twice as fast while keeping the CPU as it is. This results in a user experience that is very consistent across devices (in terms of performance) despite the specs differing. It also makes it much easier for developers as they can ignore the performance impact that higher resolution displays otherwise have. In that way their SoCs are designed specifically for their devices, but none of that has anything to do with CPU efficiency. Apple does great work on that front too, but it's not any better than the great work Qualcomm does either. It's very much comparable.

    What I'm referring to has almost nothing to do with software optimization however. It's about how the OSes are designed and what their developers decided was particularly important. Android and WP/WM both have run-time environments that sit between the hardware and the app. These environments provide runtime services for apps, like memory allocation and garbage collection, security monitoring, memory defragmentation, run-time type information and a whole host of other stuff. This makes it easier to program for Android and WP/WM and makes those developers more productive, but those services come at performance cost. iOS apps don't have that sort of run-time environment, so those apps run far more efficiently, but developers are required to do more work. Those run-time environments are also what allow Android and WP/WM apps to run on both Intel and ARM chips, whereas iOS apps are limited exclusively to ARM. That flexibility is nice, but it too comes at a performance cost. None of that has anything to do with optimization, but with different design priorities and goals.
    11-04-2016 08:19 AM
  20. Lumious's Avatar
    I would agree that lately (overall in the past 3 or so months, maybe 6, whatever) that it has gotten better but recently i have had so many bugs. Over the past few days i have had reboots, fail to display keypad to unlock the phone, screen freezes, my 950 XL has been worse than its ever been even when i had 10586.0
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    11-04-2016 08:28 AM
  21. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    Let me add too that Windows 10 Mobile has gone a long way in terms of performance from the first time I installed it September last year.

    The problem though or maybe I'm just demanding is that fixes don't come quick enough (I know we get new builds every month) however, it's nice when we can feel a tangible improvement with every build lol.

    Still it is more reliable now but there still is room for improvement.
    11-04-2016 10:51 AM
  22. EspHack's Avatar
    So, iOS is less hungry? Sure I read somewhere on here (could be wrong, usually am), that the Apple chip architecture was pretty much specific to the way in which iOS was set up, and by Apple overseeing the entire process from the chip to the hardware to ensure optimisation gave favourable results. I guess that's what you we're basically saying anyway? I've had a couple of iMac G5's in the past for DJing, and they always offered the most reliable and stable performance. As you state, it's probably the way the OS, or iOS is coded for optimisation.

    Thanks Ascent! Long time no converse. ;-)
    it helps a little, but if you go back a few years, when microsoft cared about wp, at least a bit, you see their range of underpowered 3rd party phones outperforming everything else on the market, smoked by wp! and when it came to smooth operation and stability WP was the one to beat, even iOS seemed buggy in comparison, thats what the world's biggest software company is capable of

    yea you can argue w10 is more complex and whatever, but you can replicate all its functions on wp7-8 and it would still perform as fast and reliable as ever, just at exponentially higher costs

    and those hoping the "creators update" will finally make this mobile OS competent, have you ever thought that apple and google will just sit there? by the time w10m reaches their current user experience standards, they will be on to the next level
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    11-04-2016 02:13 PM
  23. ttsoldier's Avatar
    It's gotten worse for me..But then again I use a low end device (lumia 640) ..

    It's been a while since I did a hard reset.. Think I need to get around to that...

    Oh god, Windows 10 is turning into android.
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    11-04-2016 09:47 PM
  24. libra89's Avatar
    It's gotten worse for me..But then again I use a low end device (lumia 640) ..

    It's been a while since I did a hard reset.. Think I need to get around to that...

    Oh god, Windows 10 is turning into android.
    Haha, yeah. I got tired of hard resetting my Lumia 640 for being so sluggish and glitchy. It's kind of annoying.
    11-04-2016 10:03 PM
  25. kristalsoldier's Avatar
    There was a definite performance improvement with the latest cumulative update to 14393. My 1020 "seems faster" and on par wit WP8.1
    According to allaboutwindowsphone RS2 is even faster than RS1. I think the Creators Update is where W10M will finally be a really awesome OS
    Contingent on they also improve battery life else it would pretty much be useless!!!
    libra89 likes this.
    11-04-2016 11:12 PM
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