1. Player Piano's Avatar
    I really hope to be back using Windows Mobile at some point in the future. I never thought I would ever move to a different OS, but the buggy builds following the anniversary update made for a disappointing experience. I still have my 950 and have no plans to get rid of it.
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    03-23-2017 07:06 PM
  2. badMojo69's Avatar
    Smartwatch and that's all I need. 100% Microsoft supported Smartwatch.
    03-23-2017 09:27 PM
  3. Mike Harm's Avatar
    Ha, you should see my lineup! Let's see:

    1. Windows laptop triple booting Windows 8.1, Windows 7, and Linux Mint
    2. Macbook with Windows 10 on Bootcamp
    3. Mac Mini
    4. Linux desktop
    5. Two Chromebooks
    6. iPad Mini 4 LTE
    7. Nexus 7 2013
    8. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge (my primary phone)
    9. Samsung Galaxy S7 (my wife's phone)
    10. Lumia 650
    11. A few other miscellaneous devices mostly used by the children

    With all these devices, I do have my go to's: for desktop it's my Windows laptop or Macbook on Windows 10, for tablet it's the iPad Mini 4, and for phone it's my S7 Edge. My favorites for each form factor are each a different company's OS.
    OK - Since we're posting device lists:

    1. Surface Book with Windows 10 Pro (CB) + Win10 Redstone 2 Insider VM
    2. HP Elitebook Folio G1 m7 - Windows 10 Enterprise (Work/Personal Hybrid)
    3. Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 260 i7 - Windows 10 Enterprise (Work)
    4. Mac Mini Server - iTunes and Mac Server File Sharing
    5. Intel NUC i7 (currently shelved)
    6. HP Chromebook 13 G1 m7 (Dev Channel + Play Store)
    7. MacBook Pro 15 (2016 - Touch Bar Model)
    8. MacBook 12 Retina (2016 model)
    9. iPad Pro 12.9 LTE (Primary tablet)
    10. iPad Air 2 LTE
    11. iPhone 7 Plus 256GB
    12. iPhone 6S 32GB (Work)
    13. Nexus 6P 128GB - Stock Nougat 7.1.1
    14. HP Elite X3 +Desk Dock + Lap Dock
    15. HP Pro Tablet 608 (On the way)


    Now I'm a workplace CTO so its imperative that I study all of the major platforms and form factors... Its overwhelming. The Apple gear gets the most use but the HP Folio and Chromebook work well with their respective docking stations and are fantastically executed devices.

    On the original post content, I use the Elite X3 with my work/secondary SIM often, but usually just to check on Continuum's progress in the fast ring insider program. I keep hoping that the performance gets usable - Each firmware upgrade and Insider build makes things better or worse - But I still don't feel like its ready. The desk dock is fine but the lap dock is a hot mess. I'm still hopeful that RS3 is the breakthrough on Continuum.

    I think we'll see a Windows Phone resurgence as Enterprises are being forced to Win10 by Intel and their removal of downgrade rights on Kaby Lake and above. (Its the right move to get people off of Win7 and not create another 12-year disaster like WinXP where stalled innovation can be the cornerstone of many an IT department.) This uptake in Win10 desktop adoption will lead to UWP demand, which will subsequently enable REAL enterprise consistency through common apps and data protection/access models at the app level that will drive adoption on mobile. This may even cause a chicken/egg effect where consumer demand could surge...
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    03-23-2017 10:07 PM
  4. Martijn ter Haar's Avatar
    I am a long time WP user, have used many lumias.
    # Lumia 640XL - love the UI, the plastic feel :P.
    Finally someone who mentions that. I just loved how the plastic of the 650 felt and the bright, vibrant colors. I would really love it if some company would bring that back. I even think they were classier than most 'premium' metal phones. They could have been released by an Italian design firm like Alessio or Kartell. The Surface has that seem vibe, so MS could bring it back. It also matches with Windows Mobile's superior UI.
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    03-24-2017 02:58 AM
  5. Torontonian22's Avatar
    I used to love WP, especially 8.1. W10M never really worked for me so I left. As others have already stated, I'm not glued to a brand until I die. If it works for me, I use it, if it become a pain in the neck (to remain polite) I ditch it. I still have my 930 to test new updates but I have to say that I almost completely lost interest in W10M. I still have my 930 because no one wanted to buy it even at a very cheap price. And as I accidentally broke the screen in the meantime, it is clearly impossible to get rid of it unless I give it for free. I might as well keep it for now.

    I moved to Android because my work actually paid me a Galaxy S6. After installing a 3rd party launcher and made the phone look the way I want, it's actually a great OS, despite my previous gripe with Android earliest versions. It works fine and allows me to do everything I need to : from taking great pictures, to work, to entertainment, everything is there. I haven't seen any reboot, crash, instability whatsoever. So, unless Android starts to act up, I'm not coming back the W10M train anytime soon.

    For people who complains about Android's instability or slowdowns, just be careful what you install and you should be fine, exactly like on Windows desktop in fact... if you can do it on a device like your computer (and actually defend it), you should be able to apply the same rule to your phone quite easily...

    In the meantime, I have not received updates for W10M in months, even if I'm on the Insider preview program (it fails all the time). My email account settings are always out of date, while it works perfectly on all my other devices... FOR ME (and it's just my own experience, your mileage will definitely vary) it's not a good/mature enough OS yet to win me back.

    As I said, I loved W8.1 for a reason : slick, fast, reliable, user-friendly, great hardware, great promises. I may come back one day, but for now I'm happy and satisfied with what I have.

    BTW, I used the Windows 8 theme on Android and it's utter ****. All the windows phone theme or launchers are simply terrible compared to the actual WP experience you can get on a Lumia ;)
    03-24-2017 04:03 AM
  6. he_shark's Avatar
    Nice to see this thread being highlighted as the views here pretty much mirror mine. I've been using WP since the Lumia 920 came out, then to a 925 and more recently a 950XL. When I dropped it and broke the screen I decided to try the competition. I goto a Moto G4 and used that for 6 weeks. It felt like looking at my mum using Windows 95, icons all over the desktop, random app crashes, slowdowns and lagging, occasional reboots. It feels like forever Google have been saying they are making changes to fix the lags and crashes, and it's certainly better than it used to be, but it's still not smooth like WP. But what made me unable to stomach it was the UI, it is so ugly, so not functional, even after 6 weeks I just couldn't get used to it and couldn't work out how to customise it to make it look acceptable. I keep hearing how Android can be customised to your desire (and no doubt with more research I'd have worked out how) but I never found a way to make the UI nicer, I couldn't even manage to change the colour scheme. So now I've been using an iPhone for the last month. You can see how Android is just a cheap copy of an iPhone, the UI is so similar, but with the iPhone it's a lot cleaner, simpler and just better than Android. I still prefer WP though, tiles look so much better than icons, finding apps in the all apps list is just better as well, I love the easy way you can change the colour and make it feel yours, I prefer the notifications, etc, etc. Overall WP just feels right, it's modern and fresh, Android and iOS feel so dated and clunky.

    I'm just sad that people hate MS so much which has led to the app gap which has killed Windows Phone. I don't blame MS, the problem was people's historic hatred to them that irrationally stopped them for developing for Windows. I held on for a long time as I'm not a big app user, but eventually decided that it was better to have more choice. Tbh I think the built in Apple apps are pretty crap, Mail, Safari, Maps, Photos, etc, etc they are mediocre and there's much better 3rd party options. With WP I much preferred the Microsoft apps. If it wasn't for the app gap, WP would so be my mobile of choice. I cannot ever see that changing, but if somehow it happened I'd definitely switch back.
    03-24-2017 08:29 AM
  7. chuckdaly's Avatar
    Microsoft would have to relive the WP7 days; build a mobile OS from scratch based on user aesthetics and ergonomics. It would also need to be resource efficient. This is how Windows Phone 7 came about, and it was brilliant. All you newcomers owe it to yourselves to play with a WP7 device for a few minutes. The different hubs and ease of use are still there. Anyone remember the "Smoked by Windows Phone" commercials. How do you think W10M would fare against iOS and Android today? Probably not so well. They would have to go that route again to get me onboard any new mobile plans. Everything else is half-baked.
    03-24-2017 11:14 AM
  8. aggiefather's Avatar
    The ability to have Cortana read me text messages is the main reason I stick with windows mobile devices. As a working dad with a working wife and several kids to transport from practice to school to workouts, etc. that singular feature is critical. Like a taxi driver getting orders from the dispatcher, Cortana allows me to respond hands-free and almost instantly when there have been changes in plans. I am also still delighted by the ever-changing Live Tile UI and the excellence of the photos I am able to take. My Band 2 still works great, too.
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    03-24-2017 11:17 AM
  9. ak_r7's Avatar
    Thank you all for sharing your views and opinions :)
    I am sure we are just getting started with discussions ;) ;)
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    03-24-2017 12:33 PM
  10. dorelse's Avatar
    The best part of my day today was reading the linked article on iMore. Their recommendation on 'How to stop Facebook making your iPhone run like crap' is to literally uninstall it and use the mobile FB website instead. Seriously...so...using something like SlimSocial puts us ahead of the curve. #1percent :)

    How to stop Facebook from making your iPhone run like crap | iMore

    I have both the Idol 4S and iphone 7 Plus. Both are good devices. I thought I'd hate the iPhone...I don't, but I don't love it either. Apple Pay is sweet, especially if you forget your wallet at home. Lots to like...the 'locked down' mentality is a bit overblown...I've been able to tweak and change everything I've wanted/needed to, with the exception being the home screen layout. You get use to that pretty quickly. Everything just works for the most part.

    I'm always drawn to WM, so I'll continue to bounce between them when I need a break from one. I would got back to my HTC 8XT in a sec if I could.
    03-24-2017 01:47 PM
  11. MirthRock's Avatar
    I LOOOOVE W10M but I recently jumped ship to an iPhone 7 Plus. The phone is a wonderful piece of hardware and the OS is extremely smooth, but (and I never thought I'd say this about Apple), it lacks innovation!! With W10M, I can see the potential and the vision (and its super frustrating that it has never been fully realized). I will 100% be back to W10M once the 'app gap' is fixed or something else takes the place of apps (bots maybe?) and puts W10M back on the right track. W10M truly is the best vision for a mobile OS that I've seen.
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    03-24-2017 02:29 PM
  12. hoovermac's Avatar
    I have had a few Windows phones over the years (Lumia 610, 920, 830, 1520) and my wife has had a Lumia 800, 830, and now a 950. I have also used BlackBerry phones and Android devices (I have been using a newer Android device for over a year). W10 mobile on my wife's 950 is a lot smoother than Android is on my current device (battery issue on her 950, notwithstanding). The app selection on Android vs. W10M is a massive plus, as is the ability to use tap to pay in Canada through my local banks. But Android hangs at the most annoying times (e.g. trying to answer a phone call). My son has a newer Android phone and it hangs during texting and Snaps. Personally, I am seriously considering an Elite X3 or maybe the next HP phone when it comes out and I think I would be on the 'Surface Phone' in a heartbeat. Some have moved on and found the grass is indeed greener and some have found straw. Again, it is whatever works best for you, but with the extended experiment on the Android side, I will be back soon.
    Last edited by hoovermac; 03-25-2017 at 10:54 AM.
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    03-24-2017 04:17 PM
  13. ak_r7's Avatar
    I hope Nadella is listening. Give us a phone which is dependable in terms of software stability, support, apps and a mind blowing camera and watch windows phone take the top spot.
    03-24-2017 10:04 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    I hope Nadella is listening. Give us a phone which is dependable in terms of software stability, support, apps and a mind blowing camera and watch windows phone take the top spot.
    I do believe we're heading in that direction, just have to be patient.
    Better days are ahead.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-25-2017 07:35 AM
  15. Vivien R's Avatar
    Having troubles... Like a bit more than a month ago, one of the updates bricked my Lumia 930, and because I had thoughts about leaving WM, brought an S7 Edge. Well, as hardware its amazing, as in bare software, sadly to say, but Android M and N are much more stable than W10M. Many apps are better on Android than in WM. Not mentioning apps are available. Banking, Ebay, PayPal... Surely, I didn't like the UI. Sadly MS apps are worst than in WM/WP. Outlook is an unusable junk. Using Android with Outlook is pain in the ...
    Well, would come back happily if I would have the apps I need, but its seems not possible in the near future.
    03-25-2017 10:31 AM
  16. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Others must just be wasting time with unimportant apps.
    SERIOUSLY????? So if you don't use or need an app it must be unimportant and a waste of time?? Delusional much??
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    03-25-2017 11:01 AM
  17. FXi2's Avatar
    I find fewer apps to sift through is often a benefit, but yes sometimes there is a bit of a gap. However, I don't find myself needing to do that many things on a "phone" where I can't reach for another handy device. I have an iPad mini which I had set up fully to replicate my phone life plus the IOS apps. After months of going everywhere with it, I was not really using it. I'd like to see a few devices released on the 835 chipset, sort of either a Surface mobile device or at minimum some kind of 950/950XL refresh. I'd like it if they brought these devices to CDMA as well as GSM carriers. But for now, I think it pretty funny that my several year old Icon has wireless charging that Apple still hasn't introduced, OLED which Apple still doesn't have, and a camera that does 4k video and does stills that are quite capable of keeping up with the latest Apple gear. So there is a want for a newer device and the features it would bring, but I keep noticing that the device I have has been doing things, 802.11ac for example, for years that Apple is still way behind in doing. Android is severely not my cup of tea, so for me these two are the option. Windows phone is still an extremely good device (though we need more hardware well built) and we get updates and responses/fixes to things on a far faster basis than Apple. Apple still has Bluetooth issues, car apps that are long in the tooth and battery issues on older devices that despite spending almost $1K on the phone, Apple will dismiss until they are forced to react.

    So I keep finding that the grass isn't greener. It's good to have a walkabout and see what's out there. But day to day, to get phone size things done, to stay connected to the web wherever I am, the Icon is a good device. When it breaks (which may not be long given the long hours I put on this thing) I will have some problems to think about. And that may push an iPhone choice just because of easy availability, easy service, and features. But I do like what I have now.
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    03-25-2017 01:26 PM
  18. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    SERIOUSLY????? So if you don't use or need an app it must be unimportant and a waste of time?? Delusional much??
    Re: aka phlamethrowre,
    Response to a sentence, an opinion, on the internet, presented out of context.
    Best Wishes
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    03-25-2017 01:26 PM
  19. chucosgirl's Avatar
    I just recently got an android phone for the first time. I've always used window phones before, I have to say I much prefer the window phone over the android.
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    03-25-2017 11:23 PM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    I just recently got an android phone for the first time. I've always used window phones before, I have to say I much prefer the window phone over the android.
    Its difficult to compare the 2 because they're so different. Android certainly has its advantages, they just don't add up for me.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-26-2017 08:00 AM
  21. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I think the app gap has done the damage. It really isn't about not getting Pokemon Go and things like that. It is about getting rapid updates for new features for something as basic as Facebook or Instagram that has paralysed the platform. No doubt many would jump ship back for the sheer pleasure of how you can use the phone with ease against Android or iOS.
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    03-26-2017 12:43 PM
  22. mryan55's Avatar
    I think the app gap has done the damage. It really isn't about not getting Pokemon Go and things like that. It is about getting rapid updates for new features for something as basic as Facebook or Instagram that has paralysed the platform. No doubt many would jump ship back for the sheer pleasure of how you can use the phone with ease against Android or iOS.
    This is one of the most accurate and concise assessments I have seen. I have spent quite a lot of time with every guise of Windows Phone, BlackBerry OS and Android since the smartphone era started.

    Some of the things we have all started to take for granted are simply tough sells on Windows Phone. Just looking at one category, banking and finance, only two of the banks and brokerages I use have WM support that is equal to Android. Sure, the mobile website is a good fill in often but not every time. Mobile check deposit is only going to be available in the app and that is becoming more important for many.

    In the email realm, Outlook has been sending emails out with the senders name missing from the header since last August. Emails are just sending from email@domain.com... not great if you use your email professionally. I hear it is fixed with Creators but I don't use insider builds. If it takes 8 months to fix this, what else is going on and not getting fixed. Just my thoughts.
    03-26-2017 04:35 PM
  23. beachhoppr's Avatar
    I had an HTC 8x then a Lumia 521. Since then I have been on a Blackberry z30, a Blackberry Priv, a Samsung Galaxy S7 and now an iphone 7. I just bought a Lumia 950 and after a bunch of years i'm returning to the mothership
    03-26-2017 08:13 PM
  24. John Wolf1's Avatar
    The ability to have Cortana read me text messages is the main reason I stick with windows mobile devices. As a working dad with a working wife and several kids to transport from practice to school to workouts, etc. that singular feature is critical. Like a taxi driver getting orders from the dispatcher, Cortana allows me to respond hands-free and almost instantly when there have been changes in plans. I am also still delighted by the ever-changing Live Tile UI and the excellence of the photos I am able to take. My Band 2 still works great, too.
    I so miss the reading if my texts. I hope Cortana will read texts on Android soon
    03-26-2017 09:17 PM
  25. garak0410's Avatar
    I left Window Phone over 3 years ago. The HTC 8x was the last time I used a WP. I use to rotate between WP, Android,, and iOS. But I dropped iOS and eventually dropped WP. Now I'm 100% Android. I'd gladly comeback to WP, if they gave me a compelling reason to comeback.

    That app gap is real and is a killer. But if they can bring their x86 plans to fruition, that would be a start.
    This sums it up for me too. I was a Lumia ICON user and I did get a review copy of a Lumai 950xl but with being on Verizon, never got to use it and that was it for me. I am full on Android for mobile now (Phone, tablet and wearable.)

    The "app gap" is real and I used to be "I don't need that app." But what is a platform without "programs and applications"?
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