01-04-2013, 04:47 PM #51
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I though I should just add my two cents on Vista.
The first problem with Vista was that people who didn't meet the hardware requirements went for the upgrade and then complained that their system had become too slow, or unusable. If people had bothered to look at the hardware requirements there wouldn't have been that many people upset with it.
Secondly, when you first installed Vista (upgrading from an old Windows) it would index all your files. The indexing took up a lot of resources for the first day that you ran Vista but after that it cleared up.
The first service pack also sorted out a lot of issues and made many features more stable. I think I had fewer blue screens in Vista than in XP.
- 01-04-2013, 05:30 PM #52
Vista is as solid as Windows 7. Windows 7 is just Vista Service Pack 2. Windows 8 suffers from shoddy hardware. All the non touch DRECK that HP and Dell are shoveling out the door are ruining sales. People see one touch enabled Win8 machine and then want ALL Win8 machines to be touch. Then they walk up to a $350 HP dreck machine and get turned off. Touch needs to be pushed down into lower price points and screen resolutions also need to be pushed up. The premium paid for a simple 1080p touch display is horrendous.
01-04-2013, 05:33 PM #53
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Also, I had both betas of w8 and did not have any problems not having a touch screen. There is significant increases in performance for the os. It boots faster. Shuts down faster. Programs load and run faster. And in some cases ApS are quicker than loading a program. Is it perfect? No, but nothing is.
- 01-04-2013, 10:41 PM #54
- 01-05-2013, 09:04 AM #55
Not to mention win 8 now has a built in anti-virus (not just the alerts). Windows 8 is the first time that windows defender is a full blown anti-virus software which is not the case for windows 7. Depending on if you trust Microsoft or not to make their own anti-virus, you wont need to get other, possibly slower or ad-ridden software.
But you'd be hard-pressed to find too many blogs like CNet or The Verge writing and article saying that.. you'll only find "AMG! MAH START MENU LOOKS DIFFERENT!".. PS.. show me the mac OS start menu... they seem to live ok...
01-05-2013, 09:45 AM #56
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Defender doesn't work well as anti virus software. Tried it out. W8 won't let a lot of my old software work. It is not backwards compatible. I upgraded and really wish I hadn't because of this. They released it knowing it had huge bugs. I like the idea behind it, but I don't want it connect every PC to mine automatically! That was just stupid. I will move 8 to my desktop as soon as I finish building it and put vista back on my laptop. Its all a money game any ways. Don't get me wrong though. My laptop has a single core and 2 video cards, so 8 is kinda too much for it. If one video at 1080p from my 8x can't run on it, then I have to go back. Better to let a dual core desktop or quad core run 8. Now if I can just get dell to make a 64bit audio driver for my laptop then I could keep 8 on it without issue.
- 01-05-2013, 03:06 PM #58
- 01-05-2013, 04:52 PM #59
So you can keep the messaging app up.. or Skype app up.. while you use the desktop.. some apps you probably wont want to do that.. but like most games for the desktop, they'll use the full screen mode for best viewing.
01-06-2013, 03:27 AM #60
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now, im not trying to attack you, but can you name a few software that is not working on 8? because I have not seen any of my program stop working so far, just curious may be I can help out
as for speed... I don't really understand why it would be worse if you had vista before? 8 uses the pretty much the same amount of resource as 7 and 7 uses a lot less resource than vista, may be a bad driver? (my upgrade was from 7 to 8 so haven't felt any improvement or degration other than the much faster boot speed)
as for connect to every pc automatically, did it give u the option to say yes or no? because when I upgraded my desktop it did ask it, and the concept behind it was really because network neighborhood kept getting bashed... it still doesn't work as good as I hope it could be, but it's an improvement and if you don't want it, it can be shut off if you don't want it
I agree with you on Defender, at least to my understanding it's only job is to check system files to make sure they are good, not meant to be antivirus
- 01-06-2013, 04:10 AM #61
You people who act like the start menu being gone is some UI atrocity are ridiculous.
First of all, the old Start Menu was horribly inefficient. Having to roll over to "all programs" then scroll through a list of program FOLDERS, expand the app folder, then know which of the 3-4 links to click to open the app was a usability nightmare. Its one of the things I hated most about Windows. So you know what I did on Windows 7? I just pinned the apps I use to the task bar. Also, a lot of people use their desktop to pin short cuts to their apps. So guess what the Start Screen is? Its the natural evolution for the UI based on those patterns from the users. Another plus? Instead of having to click through all the menu folders, or click in the search box, you just start typing and it brings up the search!
Microsoft didn't just come up with the new UI out of their ***, they RESEARCHED users and found patterns. Their "building Windows 8" blog talks about a lot of that research and development. Go read it.
I've been using Windows 8 for 6 months now and I know I am faster with it. Its so much easier and quicker.
If you are so damned in love with that stupid start menu, go marry it and stop complaining.
- 01-06-2013, 05:38 AM #62
But... but... with Windows 7 you could just hit the Windows key and start writing the name of a program. Exactly like in Windows 8. And you were able to pin programs to the start menu (where you had this neat arrows that allowed you to open recently opened files). I really don't get your post spaulagain, what's more efficient on Windows 8 than before?
By the way, this quoted sentence makes me believe you're about 5 years old.
- 01-06-2013, 10:40 AM #63I agree with you on Defender, at least to my understanding it's only job is to check system files to make sure they are good, not meant to be antivirusBut... but... with Windows 7 you could just hit the Windows key and start writing the name of a program. Exactly like in Windows 8. And you were able to pin programs to the start menu (where you had this neat arrows that allowed you to open recently opened files). I really don't get your post spaulagain, what's more efficient on Windows 8 than before?
In Windows 7, I put all my most commonly used programs on the taskbar and I didn't bother pinning them in the start menu, no real reason to Since they were on the task bar... In windows 8 I have them pinned in both spots.. Why? Well for starters, you start off in the start menu (funny how you START at START instead of START at the desktop then go to START... so name makes sense now.. but that's more semantics than anything of real significance..).. Also my OCD can be appeased as I can put them all in columns and all organized by category and name instead of just a single list for everything.. Granted that is probably just me... I have to have organization of everything.. even my old iphone wouldn't have full app pages because each page had to be a unified theme or category... but I'm still a customer as much as you are..
With the typing to search.. It is more efficient on Windows 8.. Now you can search for everything on your computer. Literally. Files, Programs and Apps, Settings, and send those search queries into apps and pull up their search screens.. It also saves your most common searches and recent searches (if you don't disable this feature).. Want to search for a pie recipe? from the start menu type in "apple pie" and click on Internet explorer and it will open up a window in IE with the bing results for "apple pie".. or click on allrecipes.. or the google search app.. You couldn't do this before.. You had to open up your browser and search from there.. That may not seem as interesting since it's about the same number of clicks however with the integration of apps like I said, if you wanted to find something on The New York Times, or Wikipedia, before you had to open IE and Chrome or whatever and search for it and then click on the site.. Now you can just type "apple pie" and click on Wikipedia app and it launches the app with the results. I call that more efficient.
Recent document tab? Yes, this isn't there from the start menu.. However pinning to the desktop taskbar, just like in windows 7. If you right click on the icon in the taskbar the menu pops up and gives you recent items. Assuming the program supports that (which not all do, even in windows 7). Also most programs support an "open recent" anyway. I don't know what software you use so I can't really say whether that is available to you or not. But the point is, the feature itself isn't gone.
As for what is more efficient on windows 8 compared to windows 7.. There is a lot.. Whether you choose to acknowledge them or say "well I guess but windows 7 is still fine with me" or not, that's up to you. Windows 8 Is faster. All of the reports have shown windows 8 to boot faster and load most programs faster than windows 7. Windows 8 is touch optimized but does NOT require a touch screen to use. I do not have a touch screen and I am able to move around just fine. Have a long start menu? Roll your mouse wheel.. You've been doing it for years on webpages so it's not a foreign gesture for scrolling through stuff. For those of you that prefer keyboard shortcuts and don't like using the mouse since your hands are always on the home keys, use your keyboard arrows and the enter key..
For closing apps, you are used to going to the top corner and clicking the X button right? So instead of clicking on the X, click at the top (which assuming the program was in full screen or max mode, would be at the top of the screen anyway) and just drag down. Want to go back a page in an app. The back button is on the top left of the page. In about the same spot a back button would be on any browser. Or, just like in any browser... Many apps also support the backspace to go back a page.. Assuming you aren't in a textbox typing something.
- 01-06-2013, 02:59 PM #64
Now I see we don't get anywhere with this discussion. When I'm at my desk working, I never ever think: 'Boy, this would be much better/faster/nicer on Windows 8!'. That just does not happen. When I'm at home I always think: "Well, this is not really convenient." I gave this example before: every time I have to move my mouse over the entire screen to get to the right click context menu, I think Microsoft has lost its mind. I never search for documents, as my files are organized very well and I know where they are, so yes, I may be ignorant about this function.
Also I don't find Windows 8 faster. Metro apps load forever in comparison to the desktop apps I have installed, lack features and and are less comfortable to use (because of the huge buttons and the little information). Just as an example, the Mail app in comparison to Windows Live Mail: I can't set up my personal IMAP account, because this app just does not provide the options I would have to set. It is basically the Windows Phone 8 app for tablet screens (I don't write mails on my phone often, so I don't care there). There is no way I could even use it, after it has started, what takes a while. Maybe this slowness is just due my setup, but it is how it is (and as I said, desktop software loads fast).
This entire situation is different compared to the change from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone. First I couldn't believe it, why would they exchange all these features and functions with this limited system using these crazy tiles? But then I bought a Omnia 7, and I really got to like it. It was a complete change for a narrow niche. And I have bought Windows Phone phones ever since. But Windows 8 feels just like Windows 7 with tiles added onto it, and I think it is because Microsoft was forced to make compromises, and they felt forced to release a new OS so soon after Windows 7. Sure, there are some new features, but we could have gotten them without Metro.
So, we can discuss forever, I will not start to like Windows 8 more on a desktop system and you will not start to think: 'Well, he's right, there are some things that are not perfect. Maybe the bloggers aren't stupid, ignorant and bad, maybe they just see things differently.'
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- 01-06-2013, 04:42 PM #65
First, just to clarify.. in the part of my post that you quoted.. It even says "this may not be use.. just saying in general".. I posted on another thread earlier that said that surface RT had 5 apps and was only good for checking the internet... Im sorry but that is misinformed and not from someone that with an unbiased opinion.
I never said Windows 8 is perfect.. I never said windows 7 is perfect.. nor windows phone 8... **** even apple and android devices have problems.. nothing is perfect and never will be.Just as an example, the Mail app in comparison to Windows Live Mail: I can't set up my personal IMAP account, because this app just does not provide the options I would have to set.
I have both windows XP and windows 7 still at work on 3 computers (2 laptops with windows 7 and a desktop with windows xp... too many computers if you ask me but what can you do... they all do different things). and using outlook on all of them (2007 and 2010) and I get the little notifications at the bottom so I know that other programs CAN give notifications but I don't know if desktop apps will let you do banner notifications on windows 8 when using other apps.I gave this example before: every time I have to move my mouse over the entire screen to get to the right click context menuSo, we can discuss forever, I will not start to like Windows 8 more on a desktop system and you will not start to think: 'Well, he's right, there are some things that are not perfect. Maybe the bloggers aren't stupid, ignorant and bad, maybe they just see things differently.'
I also never called anyone (including you since it appears you took personal offense to my post which was not intended) stupid.. I just took the points you made and proposed a counter argument and approach to the problem. If you do not agree with my points that's different.. but that doesn't mean they are invalid.. it's, as you call it "seeing it differently"
- 01-07-2013, 12:18 AM #66
I really like your post so I will only add two short things: I miss the option in the mail app that allows me to set a path in IMAP. I can receive email but the folders are messed up. I do have this on my phone, but there I just live with it. Second, I took offense (as much as I do in the interweb, that's not too much) because I read the quoted part of the post in a 'people who do this are arseholes, not saying you are, but you are'-way, but this could well be a cultural thing around where I live.
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- 01-07-2013, 10:10 AM #67
Two thing I hope will become discussed more as they are imnportant to know when discussing Windows 8:
1. The windows keyboard key can be used to traverse between the desktop mode (more traditional widows view) and the start menu (also commonly referred to as metro). It is that simple to do, so if you do not like the metro view, don't use it.
2. The lack of a start menu doesn't hinder Win 8 at all. Here is why, drag your cursor to the bottom left-hand corner of the screen and right click. This will bring up a menu of quick links to the Control Panel, Task Manager, programs list and other key areas of the system. From here you can search for files, launch the Run box, open the File Explorer and more.
Want more information about cool features of Win 8? Check this article out: Six Hidden Windows 8 Features You Can't Live Without | Gizmodo UK
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- 01-07-2013, 10:20 AM #68
Also, you can organize programs on the Start Screen and label sections. Like I have a "Design/Development" section that not only has the Adobe products I use (not the ones I don't use) and my programing editors, snipping tool, etc.
Oh yes, sarcasm is only for 5 year olds, sorry I forgot. :-\
If its not better for you than you can just stick with Windows 7 while the rest of us are glad to have the change and improvements in Windows 8. The new Start Screen is just one of MANY improvements.
- 01-07-2013, 10:26 AM #69
I have both. 8 is fine but its not fully baked..I shifted back to 7. Its an OS best suited for touch devices...so more of those need to sell, not desktops.
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- 01-07-2013, 10:47 AM #70
And sure, I can stick with Windows 7. You can enjoy Windows 8. But why should we discuss then? Okay, I should not ask you that, as you try to force your opinion on people, and if they still have another one you try to be sarcastic. I usually never call somebody a troll, but you just make a perfect example.
If you want to know how to have a discussion and how to make good points, please look at what narv is writing.
- 01-07-2013, 12:54 PM #71
Just read through this entire thread and have been quite entertained. Thank you all for putting a smile on my face this afternoon.
Its amazing how a report which isnt based on actual figures from Microsoft on the uptake of windows 8 soon descends into infighting on personal preferences on what software your using. The thread should have ended after a few comments "blah, blah bashing the new OS without full information to make a headline."
Change is a part of life if you dont embrace it eventually you will get left behind. Ive used every version MS has pushed out since DOS 3.1 and im now up to windows 8. Couple of hours learning curve and I understood what MS were trying to do, couple of days of solid use and I love it. All i need is for a certain large software company to make their software 8 friendly and i will be happy. Im fully entrenched in the MS ecosystem xbox360, Lenovo AIO at home, Surface RT and HTC 8x mobile and everything works exactly how i need it to apart from my desktop at work running windows 7 which throws up syncing issues with my phone and surface and xbox music/legacy zune music library
Its not perfect. Nothing ever is. But with the direction MS have taken, upgrading to windows 8 has been a no brainer for me. Do i care that its apparently adopted less than vista?
- 01-07-2013, 07:12 PM #74
And I'm suddenly a troll because I made a sarcastic comment? LOL!
Windows 8 offers a lot of advantages IMO. While some features may have been available in Windows 7, I think Windows 8 does it faster and more efficiently. The best part about it is that it allows for more customization for your working needs.
Does Windows 8 have some issues that need ironed out? Yes, of course. But its also the largest change to Windows since 3.1 to 95. But that doesn't mean its some worthless OS that doesn't do anything more/better than Windows 7. I love Windows 7, but just offers more.
Some people takes these forums too seriously. :S
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