- 01-28-2013, 07:52 AM #101
Now, they are appealing to 3% of the market give or take , that bought wp7 and liked it. The sales are flat.
It is definitely time for a reboot, reassessment of decisions, concessions, and windows 9 if they expect to sell _any_ devices in 2014. 2013 is already dead for them.
- 01-28-2013, 08:15 AM #104
01-28-2013, 08:38 AM #105
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Personally cant wait for the upgrade. Love windows 8. All us engineers arent the same.
Embrace the change my friends... Embrace it!!
- 01-28-2013, 08:44 AM #106
- 01-28-2013, 08:45 AM #107
I don't recall RT making any records in sales. W8 is fun for watching peoples confusion for a few minutes, but even that is tiresome after a while.
The best thing microsoft could do, right now, is ditch metro (or whatever they approve of calling it this week) and have windows 9 ready (I mean finished!) for black friday, 2013.
RIM will eat their mobile lunch. Watch n see.
01-28-2013, 08:52 AM #109
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Conanheath: Incorrect.. I migrated everything to Win7 at home and work after a few hours of playing with it. I am all for good, solid, progress. You Sir, are 2% of the marketplace with your Windows phone. *You* are the market Windows 8 appeals to. The rest of us could give 2 sh!ts about Win 8 and only use the new UI begrudgingly. And for all of you whose computer is magically working "faster" now you have windows 8, I maintain that it's only because you didn't configure/maintain your win7 properly from the beginning. I have never experienced a slowdown. Also I am not a "Build stuff" engineer. I am a Desktop Engineer. My job is to customize the desktop experience for my user base at work. I create some hard disk images and bootable media, and make sure all the required apps will function toegther. I have worked in MacOS, every version of Windows since 3.0, and Linux. So when I say Win8 is poop on a stick, I mean it. But ****, some people liked Vista. These people were insane, and the minority, but they did exist.
And funny you acknowledge the fact the W8 sales are miniscule. Point. Set. Match.
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- 01-28-2013, 09:19 AM #110
I too see a few problems, some of which are already mentioned:
1) XP was out longer, thus upgrade was expected
2) Vista made no radical changes, except being much worse in performance but what would your average customer know about that
3) Win 7 being, as said, only out for 3 years and being rock solid. This means that the average joes who bought new OEM PCs with Win 7 are still running theirs fine. In a few years they probably start to be in a condition where many upgrade.
4) Win 8 marketing might scare off people with its difference. My sister was shopping for a new laptop and said she wants one with Win 7 cos Win 8 was so different. She genuinely thought Win 8 has no desktop mode cos they only show the new start menu in ads etc. I realize why they want to market that, but generally speaking there is SO much misconceptions about the OS in the average userbase, such as Minecraft not being playable on Win8 cos Notch didnt approve the game to be put into the app store.. (I was told this by a friend)
In the end it doesnt matter. In 2-3 years of time, most people will have to buy a new PC and they will not have the default option to use Win 7 anymore.
I personally wouldnt go back to Win 7 anymore. I find myself cursing when I have to use one, cos Win 8 is just so much handier with the mousegestures, even without touch. Naturally with touch it's even better.
01-28-2013, 09:29 AM #111
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gsquared: you have this backwards
Where the people go the app developers will follow.
- 01-28-2013, 11:42 AM #112
- 01-28-2013, 12:07 PM #113
Only hobbyist devs are free to give ease of development higher priority.
- 01-28-2013, 12:35 PM #114
Ahh, give Rick a little lee-way. He is an aspiring board troll. Give him some time and he will be able to sharpen his skills a bit. Right now he is making a classic rookie move of telling everyone how wrong they are about anything he doesn't agree with.
01-28-2013, 01:08 PM #116
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Anybody who says w8 isn't worth upgrading because XP,vista, 7 is perfectly capable are idiots. That same thinking can be applied towards anything in tech. 2005 cell phones are still capable, iPhone 3gs is still capable, Droid incredible (original) is still capable. Routers, other desktops, etc. So why should anyone upgrade to anything?
The problem is simple, ppl are stuck in Googles and Apples asses.
Also ppl forget EVERY OS out there besides windows is some form of Linux. Seems like developers, etc. are really pushing for all tech Linux.
There's no one in there complete mind can say Apple or Google alternatives, namely hardware are better than Microsofts.
Apple has many devices that all do the same thing, and none benefits more than the other.
In apples world I need an iPhone, air, MacBook to complete my life. Google doesn't have an ecosystem yet out of phones and tablets. Microsoft introduced an OS and a hybrid form factor that can be easier on your pockets.
All you need is a WP and a surface pro and can get both for about 1500. apple iPhone 600/ MacBook 1600+/ iPad 500= 2700 bucks. Only idiots spend more than they have or should.
Googles so called eco only have there phones and tablets, but where is everything else. I won't even get into a chromebook. Even for 250-300 I can still buy a 4 year old window 7 laptop that will run marathons around anything Google has.
01-28-2013, 01:19 PM #118
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hm, the postings from these last two days are becoming incredibly hostile and unnecessary... btw i do have a hard time believing someone to be a desktop engineer when they admitted themselves to have only used the platform for a few hours, it clearly means that they didn't really bother trying to understand the concept first, pretty sure there are a lot of IT guys on this board (myself included) that has a different opinion, having an opinion is one thing (which is fine) but pointing fingers and calling everyone else some sort of name one way or the other is the last thing that should be lugged around on this forum
"OK try to use win8 *without metro* without a 3rd party app or some funky registry edits. O wait, you can't. *That* sir, is the fuss. And of course you like it, you're a windows phone user."
that statement i seriously have issues with... i've been using Win8 on my desktop computer and it's worked exactly the same on the desktop as Win7, not sure why you need any edit unless you want an ancient start menu
(the only thing that I feel should be changed is to have two small buttons on the start screen for shutdown and all programs instead of putting one in the charms bar and the other hiding in the right click menu, that's a small tweak that would make the experience much easier)
01-28-2013, 01:25 PM #119
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Using the word ***** may have been extreme but its closer to the truth than anything. The only thing anyone can say is that Apple/Google has apps. Nothing else they provide are better than Microsfts alternatives. I gave everyone a try and they failed with me. I don't need an iPad when I have an air. Or iPod when I have an iPhone. And even less sense to buy a new iPod when I can buy a 4 or 4s that does the same but brings cellular with it. Apples hardware are just rehashes. Nobody can deny that.
Google hardware is just terrible. It took them how long not to correct the stuttering issue? Jelly bean ring a bell? It still lags out of control on my N7 & G Nexus.
My intention is not to offend anyone, but the truth is the truth.
My old Hp dv6-6b21he is better than most alternatives. Even more so loaded with w8. My hp puts my sister 2012 MacBook to shame in speed and applications.
I guess everyone wants to be a conformist.
- 01-28-2013, 04:58 PM #121
- 01-28-2013, 06:03 PM #122
Rick Carroll - what specific issues do you have with Windows 8, either in desktop mode or Metro/tile mode?
Two quick things I'll mention:
1) The Charms bar (the bar that appears on the screen when you place the cursor in the upper-right corner or when you swipe in from the right bezel on a touchscreen device, essentially is the new Start button. (You can access the Charms bar in either Metro/tile mode or desktop mode.) Perceiving the Charms bar in this manner IMO helps considerably.
2) What I like to call the "just type" feature in Metro/tile mode is similar to but considerably more powerful than the Search box (located directly above the Start button when you click on it) in Windows 7. To access, just click anywhere on the Metro mode screen that isn't in a tile and start typing what you are looking for. Search results will show up on the right grouped by class and include not only applications, settings, and files but also the Windows Store and selected applications installed on your computer (i.e. you can search within the application via the "just type" functionality without entering the application first). Incidentally, you can also access the same search functionality via the Search option in the Charms bar.
- 01-28-2013, 11:12 PM #123
I think a few people need to get "Win8 for Dummies" and I don't mean that to be derogatory in any way. I picked it up after I got my RT back at launch. With the major change I thought it would be a good idea to know what I was getting before I got full W8 laptop. There were a lot of changes and some are not exactly "figure it out as you go" or intuitive, at first. But, once you figure out the changes, you see why MS changed things up a bit. You see how much more powerful searches and the charms bar really can be. Also how much faster interface can be. Also, it is a touch interface even though you can use a mouse. Don't let anyone fool you. They are pulling the carpet out from under power users a little. But, average Joe is the market and touch is the future. I have found absolutely no problems with desktop mode once I read up on new search features. Everything I had before is there except a start button. Everything can still be pinned to task bar or shortcut to desktop as well as pinned to Metro. I'm not a big "Dummies" fan, but it was the best investment I've made recently. If you haven't read up on W8 you don't know half of what it can do or the ease at which it can do it.
01-29-2013, 05:27 AM #125
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