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    Windows 8 Blue fixes are on the way - May. 7, 2013

    Apparently the 'Blue' update will bring the start button back?

    I dont own Windows 8, but how do you guys feel about this?
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    Personally I don't miss the start button but some do:

    Windows chief hints at Start button return in Windows 8.1, says it 'might be helpful' for some | The Verge

    I've got no problem if the rumored return of the Start button is true but I'm more interested in what else MSFT has planned for Blue. I think there's gonna be some pretty cool stuff added.
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    It will be back, but it's going to do the same thing, just take you back to the metro start screen.

    There will also be a boot to desktop option.
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    I've gotten used to it and I used the desktop like 80%. I don't see what the bug deal is anymore.
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    The start button issue is so utterly unimportant I think just about every ***** who whined enough about it that ms heard them needs to go home and seriously think about what they are doing with their lives.

    I personally think the start bar looks symmetrical and neater without it. It isn't really necessary or doing anything besides wasting some pixels... Its absence leaves more room on the taskbar for window icons and etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by link68759 View Post
    The start button issue is so utterly unimportant I think just about every ***** who whined enough about it that ms heard them needs to go home and seriously think about what they are doing with their lives.

    I personally think the start bar looks symmetrical and neater without it. It isn't really necessary or doing anything besides wasting some pixels... Its absence leaves more room on the taskbar for window icons and etc.
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    I agree l, but I personally know a lot people who've gone wonkers about it. The button is still there, some people just can't handle the change.
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    As long as I can disable the start button or better yet, if they disable it by default (so people can activate it, like they did with the Windows 98 skin in xp). I am happy
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    Its Metro I can't put up with, I already use a start orb with no image until you hover over it on 7 so that's not the issue, I just don't see any reason for Metro UI on a desktop, I never used it, and it got in the way when I forgot and clicked start

    I'm not bothered which way MS go with 8 tbh as Win 7 will work perfectly for a long long time yet
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    I understand why people want the Start button.

    Most people have well established workflows.
    Start>open program of choice

    Going to the Start screen FEELS like you left Windows. Also, the tiles on the start screen are big enough to make it a pain to find one program if you have a lot of stuff installed. Users dont want to scroll right endlessly just to launch their program.

    I love the Modern/Metro interface. But I do think that a Start Button could be useful just because it fits way more applications in a view. And they can be organized in folders.

    For example; I don't need every Adobe product in the creative suite listed separately and taking up space. With the Start button I could navigate to the folder for the creative suite to see the list of programs it. Same with MS Office, Autodesk products, etc...
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    Each of them should be made to read "Who Moved My Cheese?" over and over till they get the point. I really see no difference in having a Start Button, when you have corner dedicated for that, and in my opinion Metro UI is way better than the traditional Start Menu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swapnil wajpe View Post
    Each of them should be made to read "Who Moved My Cheese?" over and over till they get the point. I really see no difference in having a Start Button, when you have corner dedicated for that, and in my opinion Metro UI is way better than the traditional Start Menu.
    If the Start Screen was as fast and efficient as the Start Menu that you get from the button, then people would likely be more willing to adjust.

    Change is good. But right now, the change has resulted in something less functional and efficient.

    I have confidence that will be improved in time. But right now, it's not there yet and it's a legitimate gripe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    the change has resulted in something less functional and efficient..
    Can you please elaborate more on this, may be with some examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    I understand why people want the Start button.

    Most people have well established workflows.
    Start>open program of choice

    Going to the Start screen FEELS like you left Windows. Also, the tiles on the start screen are big enough to make it a pain to find one program if you have a lot of stuff installed. Users dont want to scroll right endlessly just to launch their program.

    I love the Modern/Metro interface. But I do think that a Start Button could be useful just because it fits way more applications in a view. And they can be organized in folders.

    For example; I don't need every Adobe product in the creative suite listed separately and taking up space. With the Start button I could navigate to the folder for the creative suite to see the list of programs it. Same with MS Office, Autodesk products, etc...
    This is exactly what I have problems with, people complaining about the start screen (not you but the people you describe) because the complaints don't make sense.

    1. My generation is suppose to be the ones reaching for anything new that is a move in the right direction. Example: Teachers in school bitched and bitched about XP and they would never switch because 2000 UI made more sense. All of them moved on to XP eventually and acknowledged the improvements. Now everyone that was laughing at people like that are now complainig about Win8 in the same manner...

    2. "Start>open program of choice" Now it is open program of choice! In the old Start Menu I could not sort my applications together in groups to find them easier. We went from a very small, space constricted start menu to a full screen start menu that is customizable. Like it really baffles my mind. Instead of clicking start button and getting the smaller start menu Windows automatically opens and its full screen and more organized to my needs. Yes lets keep it the old way because we are used to it and dont want to change...

    3. I'm a tech and I love the whole simplicity thing. I spend all week fixing what people break in the "superior" Win7/WinXP environment. The average person has no need for a desktop so keep it hidden for people like us that need it. Even when I go home I don't go to the desktop unless I have to because the Start Screen is just so trouble free, I don't want to deal with the desktop after work! Actually ever, except when I need it I am glad it is there.

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    I do think that a Start Button could be useful just because it fits way more applications in a view" You can change the size of the icons and I dont meant single tile or double tile sizes. You can control through the desktop how big icons actually appear in the start screen and it increases the amount of viewable icons. But the search in Win8 is so much better than previous WinVersions. Put what you USE on the start screen. Search what you may need. Way more efficient than the folder structure of the old start screen. I think we are so used to having everything we could possibly ever use in front of us that it freaks us out not to see it. My Start Screen begins with what I use every day and trails of by use to the right, and it doesnt trail far.

    5. Is it a secret that if you go to the bottom left corner of the Desktop and right click you get every Administrative tool in a simplified "start menu"? I have zero use for a start button and start menu. I think Microsoft is bending to the complaints of people who haven't learned the new OS or those that haven't even tried it.
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    Are there seriously people not getting a new PC/tablet or upgrading to W8 specifically for the start menu? Will bringing the start menu back really convince all these folks to upgrade? I doubt it. I think if they really hate the modern UI that much, they will just stick to W7. Or at least, that's what common sense tells you.
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    well, you have to wait for the animation to complete to use it, and there is a lot less objects and links in more space. Meaning I will have to scroll left-right and otherwise do extra effort to do something that was originally efficient. On a touchscreen, that design makes total sense, but with a conventional desktop/laptop, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swapnil wajpe View Post
    Can you please elaborate more on this, may be with some examples.
    My biggest gripe is that I can't easily create folders or hubs of my own and place tiles for those on the start screen.

    So, if I have an application suite, like Adobe Creative Studio, Microsoft Office, or Autodesk's products, I end up with a cluttered Start Screen.

    In the Start Menu, they would be in folders. Clicking the folder would give me a list of the contents, which I can quickly select.

    If I could make a change to the Start Screen it would be to give the user the ability to create custom hubs. Almost like how the Store is structured. Where I can organize my tiles by category, and I could click something if I want to access the contents of the hub/folder.

    It's still slower than the Start Menu, but it beats an extremely cluttered Start Screen. And it works with touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    My biggest gripe is that I can't easily create folders or hubs of my own and place tiles for those on the start screen.

    So, if I have an application suite, like Adobe Creative Studio, Microsoft Office, or Autodesk's products, I end up with a cluttered Start Screen.

    In the Start Menu, they would be in folders. Clicking the folder would give me a list of the contents, which I can quickly select.

    If I could make a change to the Start Screen it would be to give the user the ability to create custom hubs. Almost like how the Store is structured. Where I can organize my tiles by category, and I could click something if I want to access the contents of the hub/folder.

    It's still slower than the Start Menu, but it beats an extremely cluttered Start Screen. And it works with touch.
    That's what app categories are about. Why bury apps in another folder and add more clicks?

    I have adobe design suite and my web development programs in a category. Windows 8 application management and organization is worlds better than Windows 7.

    Windows Blue will be bringing smaller tiles like WP8. So you can have more apps in that category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    That's what app categories are about. Why bury apps in another folder and add more clicks?

    I have adobe design suite and my web development programs in a category. Windows 8 application management and organization is worlds better than Windows 7.

    Windows Blue will be bringing smaller tiles like WP8. So you can have more apps in that category.
    What do you mean by App Categories? Is this some sort of functionality that I'm clueless about? Because if I could create something like folders/hubs, that would be cool.

    Right now I'm just organizing the Start Screen by putting spaces between "categories". But with a lot of apps, that means a lot of scrolling/swiping to the right to get to something. I'd much prefer to be able to click twice without scrolling the length of two or three screens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    What do you mean by App Categories? Is this some sort of functionality that I'm clueless about? Because if I could create something like folders/hubs, that would be cool.

    Right now I'm just organizing the Start Screen by putting spaces between "categories". But with a lot of apps, that means a lot of scrolling/swiping to the right to get to something. I'd much prefer to be able to click twice without scrolling the length of two or three screens.
    Its like you didnt even read my reply because I mentioned you can do this as well. Yes he means categories but you can also control how many tiles stack per column which decreases scrolling. You can do this through registry mods or "ease of use", I think that is what it is called. And yes you can pin folders and apps, if you want to call it a hub go for it. Google is your friend.
    How to Pin Apps or Folders to the Metro Start Screen in Windows 8
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    Oh and you know the view to name your categories and arrange them? Switch to that view to jump to categories if you dont want to scroll.
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    As far as opening programs or apps go, I find it easiest to just hit the Windows Key on the keyboard and type the first couple letters and click on it from the list that is shown. This has been a lot fast than the regular start menu as there would be times I forgot exactly where the program is.
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    Why would they do it? Charm bar+windows key+mouse to lower left corner
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrynomenon View Post
    Why would they do it? Charm bar+windows key+mouse to lower left corner
    Because people can't see 'Invisible' and 95% of windows users are not tech-heads

    No visual clues = dead in the water
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacft View Post
    Its like you didnt even read my reply because I mentioned you can do this as well. Yes he means categories but you can also control how many tiles stack per column which decreases scrolling. You can do this through registry mods or "ease of use", I think that is what it is called. And yes you can pin folders and apps, if you want to call it a hub go for it. Google is your friend.
    How to Pin Apps or Folders to the Metro Start Screen in Windows 8
    Google is totally not my friend. I've seen the scroogled ads. 😊

    But the link you posted is more a work-around. I, and many others, would like there to be a solution that fits in with the modern UI instead of being redirected to a desktop folder.

    I'm also not familiar with how to add more rows of tiles to the Start Screen. Maybe that option is only available when the resolution is higher? Neither my Surface RT or my Surface Pro have that option under "Ease of Access."
    Last edited by Winning Guy; 05-12-2013 at 09:05 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detectionable View Post
    Because people can't see 'Invisible' and 95% of windows users are not tech-heads

    No visual clues = dead in the water
    It shows you about the charm bar when you setup your account. Everyone should know how useful windows key is by now. Lower left corner is a tech feature if Im thinking the same as jerry.

    But this EXACTLY why Microsoft made the start screen, for the NON-techs.

    Also there is a really good app in the marketplace that teaches you a lot of the useful features of Win8. Cant remember the name but it is a top rated app. "Window 8 Cheats"?
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