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    Here's our coverage so far:

    http://www.wmexperts.com/tags/windows-phone-7-series

    ...I'm thinking it's good, it'll be a big blow to ROM cookers and other super-power-users, but that it will grow MS's marketshare.

    I'm also thinking it's very, very bad for Palm.

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    I think it looks amazing and I have no interest in ROM's for this. Since it apparently allows you to pin whatever apps and whatever else to the home screen I'm good. Only negative I can find is the wait for release.
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    Counting the days until release. It looks amazing. I think it will be worth the wait.

    Still have some questions. I am going to be at CTIA this year so I plan on asking Microsoft them. Will be watching MIX10 very closely as well.
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    Cant wait to get my hands on one of these devices looks like a huge upgrade. Don't forget as you know XBOX is my life.
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    I like it. If it can do synergy and multitasking then yes Palm should step up their game. I like it mostly because it has the zune player built in. I found this site which has a longer video with more info on the 7 Series than was shown at the MWC. http://channel9.msdn.com/
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    I'm mixed on it, but more enthusiastic than reserved. The Zune integration is the biggest selling point to me. The concept of integrating identical functions into hubs rather than standalone apps is outstanding, taking WebOS' Synergy concept to the next level.

    The UI is innovative. I like the concept of creating an interface around typography and non-beveled icons rather than than 3D chrome. But I'm not wild about how the the text and tiles run past the screen borders. Too artsy, but I could probably live with it.

    It's hard to say the same about the likely lack of multitasking, registry editing and sideloading. At this point, I'm open to WP7S products, but I'm going to have to see some compelling hardware before I get too excited.
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    My thoughts
    It's what microsoft should have done, created a consumer centric device that integrates everything and puts it in the right place and syncs with zune and xbox services. The UI is interesting and much less utiltarian than the iPhone. From a consumer standpoint I think it is very nice

    It's not what I wanted to see, losing what has kept me with wm. Here is to hoping they continue to develop WM6.*. Keeping it Business centric and adding zune services to it as well.
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    I'm cautiously optimistic. I think that Microsoft desperately needed a metaphor-driven UI.

    My biggest concern is that they've done a complete 180 from previous versions of Windows Mobile, but that is also one of the strongest benefits. I really, really hope there is decent support for multitasking.
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    I think it will fail miserably, this coming an avid Windows Mobile 6.5 user. The new interface looks absolutely horrid. HTC and SPB make better looking interfaces than the junk Microsoft puts out. Those square tiles are terrible to look at and the title of the section you're in is spread off outside the screen. As it is, no one really develops apps for Windows Mobile anymore, they all are concentrating on the IPhone and Android phone. Heck SpashData hasn't updated their software for Windows Mobile in two years. They've ported all their apps to the IPhone.

    Unfortunetly, Windows Mobile is dying and Windows Phone 7 will just kill it off quicker.
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    I think this is going to be a major win for your general consumers.

    It is a brilliant interface (as I love what they did with the Zune from day 1) and be very easily understood and used by people who have never owned a smartphone before, or are moving over from iPhone/RIM etc... Where Apple and Android had stomped on MS before, was in making an appliance like smartphone OS. Now, understand how I mean appliance; I mean it in regards to that someone doesn't even think of what brand/model the phone is, and instead uses it as they would a toaster... IE it just works.

    However, being a power user, ROM chef, administrator, and consultant, I see many things I don't like. I want further information on how the multitasking part will work, as even though I have to re-write a few things I've created, from the first look it seems that I'll have to get things "approved by MS" for the 15-20 devices that use this. That is not appealing in anyway shape or form. Also, I'm wishing that they'd have some sort of backward compatibility for programs. Say run them in a shell, or anything to ease the transition.


    I'm personally very happy with 6.5, I've had better battery life, faster app loading times, and just general increased stability as well as more end users happy with the way things "look." What I wanted to see added for features, is multiple exchange accounts supported (doubtful this will ever happen sadly) and increase API's with a light weight OS. I could have cared less about the GUI, and had often thought they'd do better letting HTC take over the entire skinning of the ROM.


    I think WPOS7 (Windows Phone Operating System 7) is going to bring MS back into the smartphone market with a bang, but I really am worried about the corporate side of things. Pushing out the Zune software on an active directory domain is not something I'm going to look forward to. Hopefully they release a business version, or keep supporting 6.5 until they can mature WPOS7 into a device that is streamlined for both the normal consumer, and the business world.

    ...I'm just not "itching" anymore to get an HD2 so I can have it...

    FYI, I'm "Ed" in the comments.
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    Hmm...terribly disappointed. Looks like it'd be great if you're trying to find stuff on someone ELSE'S phone. Really, is all the 'fluff' really necessary? I'm pretty sure that all the page flippy animations and 'junk' would get old as soon as you leave the store. A competing 'toy' i don't need. I guess I'll give android a shot.
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    Well as a person that has been an blackberry supporter since 02 I think it is a great step for MS. In fact such a good step I have been thinking about jumping ship to a winmo device (mainly the HD2) so that i can have something that is business friendly and some pop.
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    Too bad initially it won't be business friendly, unlike the old WinMo...
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    Any veteran computer geeks here? Remember the endless debates of Linux vs Windows? Every 6 months some new distro would show up and it would be the big Windows alternative....but never caught on? Remember that? Overlay that onto what Android is doing right now. The momentum is outrageous and MS got caught with it's britches down. With this perspective does the 7 strategy make ANY sense at all? You guys can wax 'metaphor' all you want, but the apparently fundamentall strategy of basically ditching corporate/enterprise to re-invent iphone/droid/webos with the 'potential' of adding the enterprise stuff in later.....well, i think we finally see the linux 'distro' that IS the mobile desktop replacement of Windows.
    Aside from 'metaphors', at the end of the day do you want to hear that 17% of your phone experience that day was watching meaniingless 'wow' animations wander on and off your phone? Is this really productive?
    (Please bear with me...) Years ago, when Commodore and it's Amiga line failed, the technology was bought/sold with the speculation that set top boxes would ultimately be "The" convergence device, and of course that was not to be. I think it's very clear that mobile phones are such a beast, and commercially it makes sense for the big guys to hook all of their services into a mobile OS. (xbox, etc), but at the expense of their respective fundamental businesses/partners? Why can't SCMDM be one of the hubs?
    What exactly does ditching the MDM mean to enterprise folks? Is all of this just going to show up in this or that cloud?
    I can't help but be pessimistic here. IS 6.5.3 'the' business OS? IS it going to be developed in parallel with the 7 series? If so, Will they merge down the road so that corporate productivity will be preserved? Is such a discussion of intent not unreasonable to ask for? This whole process makes MS look like newbies and it's disconcerting to me. Add that to the fact that you see no new 6.5.3 or 6.6 devices on any radar and you get the feeling that MS is ditching it's one clear advantage to re-invent someone else's toy.
    Yes, I'm pessimistic, and I fear they are losing my attention. Anyway, sorry...had to get this off my chest.
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    I personally think this may end up like Windows ME did... For those of you who remember it...
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    :)Since I am NOT a programmer but do have a passion for the productivity, FUN and freedom that a smart phone can give to you, my opinion is somewhat jaded. I am excited about WP7 in that it brings all those things together at once (productivity, fun and freedom). Even greater for me is that it sets the bar for all of you developers and manufacturers higher than before. Fast, customizable and finger friendly all works for me. BTW my Samsung Omina does most of it but in a clumsy way that seems to be remedied w WP7.

    Lastly, I think Dieter is right, having loved Palm and wanted a Pre Plus (now available to me) I'm having second thoughts based on WM7, so yeah I'm scared for Palm. Now its time for you to get creative and I'm sure this forum has plenty of developers that are creative as does HTC, Samsung and LG. Should be fun. I'm looking forward to it.:thumbsup:
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    I'm very exicted, I think it will be a different experience than 6.x but I think that's a good thing. Personally I'm kinda mad because I'm up for a new phone in June and although I don't like anything out now, all I'm really looking for in addition to my phone is stable GPS and Wifi. Not sure if it will be worth waiting an additional 6 months for WP7 when it could be pushed even further than that.
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    its definitely different and finger friendly; but i think its ugly. my first impression was ugh...what is this? HTCs interface should b placed over it; most of the stuff behind look fine, its just those awful home screens.
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    + Zune-like, but still very fresh and minimal UI
    + Smart integration of MS services
    + More focused set of hardware requirements and form factors
    + Inclusion of popular social network support

    - Navigation looks to require a bit more swiping than i'd like, though that could've been the demonstrators preferring to swipe to show off panoramas versus tapping
    - Huge amount of wasted space on the home screen (i expect to be tweaked)
    - i understand what "Series" refers to, and i think "series" sounds cool (think BMW) but they should've kept it short at Windows Phone 7 because that's what everyone's gonna call it anyways.
    - i've like the Zune UI but felt it was better suited for MP3 players and the demographic they're targeted at. It's certainly usable but i think it might be a bit less intuitive for some, especially coming from iPhone.
    - i don't like the iPhone-style task switching and was hoping for something along the lines of Maemo 5 at least, or WebOS

    ? Multitasking...
    ? How deeply will OEMs be able to brand their devices
    ? OS update strategy/schedule
    ? Power draw given processor requirements and constant cloud connectivity
    ? How useful the default apps will be given the minimal interface
    ? Were motion-based gestures (ie. wave hand over front camera to silence a call) held back for WP8?
    ? Making items private -- i don't want all my photos to to be visible in the photos hub. (i miss be able to make practically any data private like in PalmOS.)


    It's really hard for me to come up with a lot of pros for my usage based on what little was shown. i expect my smartphone to be a pocket computer essentially, as Windows Mobile has been for years, so obviously i'm not exactly thrilled with what i saw, although i see a lot of potential in the OS. i do understand the reason for the change, so i'm not angry at Microsoft's 180 here.

    i also understand that, aside from the fact that this will be a very connected, media-heavy consumer-friendly device, we still really don't know much. They showed the UI, a couple of hubs, and a couple of apps. MIX will give us some idea of what to expect as far as far as what developers can do, and GDC will give us an idea of sort of gaming experience we can expect. It's way too early to make heads or tails of the OS but i'm still cautiously optimistic and pretty open to most of the changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by iharper
    Any veteran computer geeks here? Remember the endless debates of Linux vs Windows? Every 6 months some new distro would show up and it would be the big Windows alternative....but never caught on? Remember that? Overlay that onto what Android is doing right now. The momentum is outrageous and MS got caught with it's britches down. With this perspective does the 7 strategy make ANY sense at all? You guys can wax 'metaphor' all you want, but the apparently fundamentall strategy of basically ditching corporate/enterprise to re-invent iphone/droid/webos with the 'potential' of adding the enterprise stuff in later.....well, i think we finally see the linux 'distro' that IS the mobile desktop replacement of Windows.
    The Linux vs Windows debate really only works with the Linux vs Windows debate because there's so many factors at play. There's several reasons Linux never caught on -- no marketing, too much choice, poor consistency in application interfaces being just a few that come to mind. And frankly, those last two plagued Windows Mobile as well. You could, however, say that the Linux kernel has been successful in a way Windows never could, finding it's way on every type of device imaginable.

    Quote Originally Posted by iharper
    Aside from 'metaphors', at the end of the day do you want to hear that 17% of your phone experience that day was watching meaniingless 'wow' animations wander on and off your phone? Is this really productive?
    Versus roughly the same percentage spent watching four multicolored balls spin? Aside for uses of visual presentation, transitions are also used to hide loading. Not once did we see a wait cursor. The iPhone uses this to great effect to make it seem faster than it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by iharper
    I can't help but be pessimistic here. IS 6.5.3 'the' business OS? IS it going to be developed in parallel with the 7 series? If so, Will they merge down the road so that corporate productivity will be preserved? Is such a discussion of intent not unreasonable to ask for? This whole process makes MS look like newbies and it's disconcerting to me.
    MS hasn't explicitly said anything about enterprise. To me, their focus on the consumer at MWC was meant to show a huge shift in their mobile strategy, not the loss of enterprise support, and it's resonated across the media in a largely positive way from what i've seen. We did see them demo Exchange integration in email and in the calendar, which had home and business appointments on the same calendar. And we know that Office is there as well. Enterprise support for WM 6.5.3 may be better than WP7 at launch, but the latter will probably offer the better experience overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by iharper
    Add that to the fact that you see no new 6.5.3 or 6.6 devices on any radar and you get the feeling that MS is ditching it's one clear advantage to re-invent someone else's toy.
    i have to admit, i was disappointed by the number of 6.5.3 devices on display at MWC and i hope this doesn't mean the platform is completely dead. But i do realize that there's OEMs that are supporting two versions of Windows, Android, as well as whatever proprietary OS they have for their dumbphones. Also MWC is one event, and i'm sure we'll see more 6.5.3 devices over time.
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    definitely looks like a huge upgrade but it doesn't completely impress me.

    i guess i'm still skeptical, but i'll have to see it with my own eyes before i make any judgment.
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    @Rico,

    Fair enough.
    Though you'd think that MS would have enough resources to at least give the impression that their whole world didn't stop functioning while they work on '7'. Clearly there's nothing going on w/ 6.x, as you can see by the crack wemexperts staff posting 10:1 on androidcentral. Oh, the 417th weather app for WM reviewed? Fascinating. Meh, etc.
    Some recent article somewhere mentioned the targetting of 6.x for 3rd world carriers. Not a bad flanking maneuver, but also a thinly veiled admission of defeat, which is bad business.
    Also, you can argue that the linux v. Win war was a desktop thing with it's own specifics, but I'll argue that this is the 'same' battle that's being fought now, and MS is on the mat. Here's a strategic example for you:
    For years, MS did the menu/interface for cable set top boxes, many manufactured by Motorola. Now enter Android, and Motorola's motoblur. Did you read recently that Moto is implenting android as their set-top box menu/interface? Did you also read that VZW has an app that turns your android phone into a remote for your set top box? 4g on the way? Um, media convergence? Now once these brainiacs figure out that customers 'could' use their 4g android phones to provision/PPV media 'from' their phones to their tvs... How many more paying customers have cable boxes than give a damn about facebook or xbox? Um...MS? Hello?
    "Wonderfully fresh interface!" "The metaphors are amazing!" Fine, i'm only suggesting that this is all disappointingly shortsighted. I'm just waiting for Motorola to build a gaming system into their set top boxes. Those kids have the big picture!

    You know this reminds me of when McDonald's initially released the 'McChicken' sandwich. People loved them. And could you get a McChicken sandwhich at a 'Chicken' restaurant? No. So, why did a non chicken place make the first chicken sandwich? Did that make the chicken folks look bad? Hmm.
    "Linux is on more (integrated!) devices". Android=McChicken.
    And hey, i'm a MS guy. This just makes me feel so bad for them.
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    @iharper:
    Good for Android. Motorola would likely gone with some other Linux variant if Android wasn't available. i'm sure the PVR integration will come to WP7 with time, but it's not something i would expect at launch. Social network integration makes sense because it's relatively easy to implement. i'd imagine roughly the same of Xbox Live given it's inhouse, albeit a different division. i'd also wager that built in integration of Xbox Live, Zune, Facebook, Flickr, Myspace, Twitter, Hulu, Youtube, Pandora, RSS feeds, and other sources would interest early adopters moreso than PVR integration.

    Also, i'm really not sure why or how you claim that MS is shortsighted when the bulk of the information regarding WP7 came from MWC, and that was basically a UI coming out party. i'm sure there's a lot MS has that they're working on that will be revealed with time. Not only would showing their hand now be bad against their competitors who are in a better position to act than they are, it would mean they'd have nothing to keep the interest in the platform going surrounding and in the months after launch.
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    Hmm...terribly disappointed. Looks like it'd be great if you're trying to find stuff on someone ELSE'S phone. Really, is all the 'fluff' really necessary? I'm pretty sure that all the page flippy animations and 'junk' would get old as soon as you leave the store. A competing 'toy' i don't need. I guess I'll give android a shot.
    I would imagine the animations could be disabled somehow. And Android isn't that great. It's fun for a while but gets boring fast. Had a Droid since Christmas and am pretty bored, and completely fed up with the email situation on it.

    Done with Google for good after this contract is up... in 21 months *sigh*
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    It shows a good deal of promise for feature-phone upgraders.

    I'm inclined to switch to Android next time - if I wanted a "walled garden" I'd go to Apple's, not Microsoft's.

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    Unfortunately, I come from the traditional world of smartphones i.e. Palm...where one took a pda and added a phone to it.

    The definition of smartphone appears to have changed to music/video player, camera with flash and browser with phone capabilities (dropped calls are okay too as long as phone has fingerprint free surface and looks "well-built" to all the non-engineers in the audience).

    I find it shocking that WP7 like the iPhone may not have synchronization for tasks and notes with exchange. That the iPhone after 4 generations does not have a built-in task app that syncs with Exchange is shocking. Also, the 3rd party apps have been rendered useless by iOS4.

    So while I like the general idea of WP7 it seems like I will have to stick with my awful Samsung Epix 6.1 in the meantime. So many choices but apparently nothing for someone in the minority like me. :(
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